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Groups Say University Stadium Not Suitable for Promise Keepers
Northwest Arkansas Times ^ | May 16, 2005 | Marsha L. Melnichak

Posted on 05/17/2005 2:01:29 PM PDT by Irontank

Promise Keepers may bring many people and dollars to Fayetteville, but they also bring intolerance, according to a consortium of groups that say Razorback Stadium should not be used to promote a religious viewpoint. "I don’t think this singleminded group should have their meeting here. It’s not an all-encompassing group and we are promoting diversity at the university," said Marian Kunetka, an archeologist at the Arkansas Archeological Survey at the University of Arkansas.

"I have to look at the rest of it as freedom of religion. I can’t get past that. We have to give them that; but, I don’t think that they should be meeting in places like the university." "We try to promote thinking and critical analysis and then we let this huge meeting come in with this one narrow viewpoint and try to promote it to everyone on campus. There’s no way that competing viewpoints could get the stadium; they wouldn’t have enough people here," added Wanda Stephens, immediate pastpresident of the Arkansas National Organization of Women.

NOW, the Washington County Green Party and the OMNI Center for Peace, Justice and Ecology joined forces to voice concerns Sunday evening about the Promise Keepers rally scheduled June 10-11 at the University of Arkansas campus.

Promise Keepers is dedicated to igniting and uniting men to be passionate followers of Jesus Christ through the effective communication of Seven Promises, according to the group’s mission statement.

According to Dick Bennett, retired professor of English and president of the OMNI center, that very mission speaks to the groups intolerance of others. "They are extremely exclusive in favor of Christianity to the exclusion of all the other religions," Bennett said. "This is a very fundamentalist, intolerant religious organization. Even though they say they are open to all denominations, ethnic and cultural backgrounds, they really mean if those different peoples will convert to Christian," he said.

Bennett repeatedly accused Promise Keepers of being deceptive in promoting its tolerance.

He went through the seven promises one-by-one to make his points.

For example, he cited the Promise Keepers’ commitment to biblical values without identifying which biblical values, even though Bennett said the Bible has many contradictory values.

Promise No. 6, which speaks to "reaching beyond any racial and denominational barriers," sounds tolerant, Bennett said. "But the rest of the sentence says ‘to demonstrate the power of biblical unity.’ Well, biblical unity is to believe in the Trinitarian doctrine of the Christian church. So, it’s very deceptive, and I assume it’s deliberate," he said.

The Seventh Promise speaks to obedience to Jesus ’ Great Commandment of loving God and one’s neighbor and to the Great Commission, which calls Christians to "go make disciples."

No one in the room, he said, would argue with the Great Commandment, "but the Great Commission takes us back into this tangled and exclusive argument," he declared. "They’re calling on all people to be disciples of Jesus. If they were in their church, we wouldn’t have any problem with that. But they are on a public athletic field, and we think that this is inappropriate for the University of Arkansas," Bennett said.

For the Green Party, the issues with the Promise Keepers are numerous, according to Carol Tarvin, who described the Promise Keepers as wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Green Party members, she said, seek to preserve religious freedom and diversity and rejects the call to create a "Christian nation."

She quoted Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney as stating, "There’s coming a day when the strongest voice in America will be that of a Christian male." "We consider that a frightening prospect not only for women but for all people who subscribe to other forms of faith, as protected under the American Constitution," she said.

She added during the discussion, "If they want us to be submissive in the home, do they want us to be their bosses at work? Do they want us to get Ph. D. s in college? Do they want us to have financial independence? I don’t think so."

For NOW President Melanie Dietzel, the issue is the inappropriateness of a non-diverse group using the facilities of a diverse campus. "You’re inviting parents to bring their kids and you have this going on, on campus. What kind of message is that sending about their true dedication to diversity?" she asked. "My point is, our university is saying we have this diversity plan in place that we want to protect, encourage, support, be tolerant of all of this diversity. And yet, in our Razorback Stadium, we’re going to have speakers who have made these broad statements openly defying the philosophy of the university. I just think this flies in the face of what they’re promoting as the university’s real efforts at diversity."

Asked if the university might be allowing diversity by allowing the Promise Keepers to use the campus, Dietzel answered, "No. I am for freedom of speech and I am for freedom of religion, and I think it’s important to protect that, but not when it’s something designed to hurt other people. I’m not saying physically. Their rhetoric is certainly hurtful to people and I don’t think that’s something the university should encourage."

Tarvin, Bennett and Dietzel said their purpose is twofold. They want the university to bar Promise Keepers from the campus and they want to educate men who are going to these events so they have the opportunity to think beyond Promise Keepers’ rhetoric, to what they called the propaganda behind it.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Arkansas
KEYWORDS: academia; antitheist; arkansas; bible; cary; christiansnotwelcome; diversity; firstamendment; greenparty; leftismoncampus; now; promisekeepers; religion; tolerance
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To: rdl6989
"Would these moonbat loons object to a muslime group gathering at at their University to promote "jihad"?"

The simple fact is, no they wouldn't. I'd bet the ranch on it. I just read David Horowitz' "Unholy Alliance," and the Left ALWAYS sides with the Muslims.
61 posted on 05/17/2005 3:32:02 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Irontank
I don’t think that they should be meeting in places like the university.

Keep in mind that these are the tenured bigots who insist to their last breaths on their right to "Academic Freedom." If tenured bigots can express any ideas they want at a university, why can't members of the public they're supposed to "serve?" Hypocrites as always!

62 posted on 05/17/2005 3:32:16 PM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: savedbygrace
"Do you ever listen to the words that are coming out of your mouth, Marian?"

Yes, it is incredible how someone incapable of basic logic even graduated from high school, much less received an advanced degree. This woman is a certifiable idiot.
63 posted on 05/17/2005 3:34:29 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Irontank

If you want to see diversity and unity in the same locale attend a Promise Keepers rally. Atheists are welcome.


64 posted on 05/17/2005 3:37:54 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: SuziQ
You can't make this stuff up. It is so PC in the middle of Arkansas? Unbelievable!

Now, who did all these activists vote for in the last election? Bush or Kerry? All of those quote are obviously anti-mainstream, run of the mill, American-style Christianity. And the Democrats wonder, why normal, average Christian Americans are tending to identify the Democrats as anti-Christian, anti-values. All of these people, fairly or unfairly are identified with the values and beliefs of the modern Democrat Party.

65 posted on 05/17/2005 3:38:05 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Jabba the Hutt's bigger, meaner, uglier brother.)
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To: Irontank

Send this to George Will. He's living in denial.


66 posted on 05/17/2005 3:40:03 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: TheBigB

You are suffering from a common conservative malady called "logic." It is a condition that causes the suffer to look for things to actually make sense. Fortunately, liberals do not suffer from this terrible malady!


67 posted on 05/17/2005 3:40:15 PM PDT by Juan Medén
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To: Irontank

I think these bigoted, anti-Christian multiculturalists are losing it.

I think these Nazis should have their behinds sued off.


68 posted on 05/17/2005 3:42:53 PM PDT by mlmr (The Culture of Death will get a lot more deadly before it's done.)
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To: Irontank

""I don’t think this singleminded group should have their meeting here. It’s not an all-encompassing group and we are promoting diversity at the university," said Marian Kunetka, an archeologist at the Arkansas Archeological Survey at the University of Arkansas.
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Atheism is a "singleminded group ", bent on hatred of Christians.


Her liberal idea of "promoting diversity" means alternatives to Christianity, but it does not include Christianity.


69 posted on 05/17/2005 3:43:54 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: DB
"The irony is too much. Diversity as long as it fits their narrow view of the world... They claim to promote what they obviously don't know the meaning."

Right. For these people, "diversity" is an ideology, almost a religion, not the practice of actually allowing or encouraging diverse points of view. What this comes down to is that they want to deny the use of public facilities to people who do not share their religion. And the frightening thing is, they can't even understand that what they are doing is itself discriminatory and intolerant.
70 posted on 05/17/2005 3:47:00 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Irontank

Multiculturalism -- hate teach


71 posted on 05/17/2005 3:48:25 PM PDT by Riemann
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To: Irontank

Marian Kunetha is being very single minded in her exclusion of Promise Keepers as an acceptable group in her circle of unbelievers.


72 posted on 05/17/2005 4:07:41 PM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Irontank
"NOW, the Washington County Green Party and the OMNI Center for Peace, Justice and Ecology joined forces"

More of Satan's useful idiots. These people fit right in with pedophiles and Islamic terrorists.
73 posted on 05/17/2005 4:14:17 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland
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To: Irontank

She quoted Promise Keepers founder Bill McCartney as stating, "There’s coming a day when the strongest voice in America will be that of a Christian male." "We consider that a frightening prospect not only for women but for all people who subscribe to other forms of faith, as protected under the American Constitution," she said.

Uh, wasn't the American Constitution written by mostly Christian males with the strongest voice?


74 posted on 05/17/2005 4:16:05 PM PDT by PioneerDrive (Don't fence me in.)
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To: mollynme
Then they should just rent the stadium like PK does and hold their own anti-Christian rally.

They don't have to rent stadiums. They have unfettered access to the MSM. Doesn't get any bigger than that.

75 posted on 05/17/2005 4:18:01 PM PDT by taxesareforever
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To: Irontank
Wow! Apparently, the War Memorial Stadium in Little Rock was good enough for the Billy Graham Crusade.

-PJ

76 posted on 05/17/2005 4:18:28 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: LaineyDee
"For example, he cited the Promise Keepers’ commitment to biblical values without identifying which biblical values, even though Bennett said the Bible has many contradictory values.

That's because there are no contradictory values in the Bible.

What's happening there is pure Christophobia. "Exclusive" is just an excuse. All men are invited to PK events.

77 posted on 05/17/2005 4:36:09 PM PDT by ViLaLuz
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To: PioneerDrive

And don't we have a strong voice in America right now, aka GW Bush, who is a Christian male?
I look forward to the day more and more Christian males make their voices heard in this nation. More need to be elected, so the values will go up, instead of being forced to "blend in so we don't offend anyone."
I don't understand people like this who don't stand for anything, but just don't want Christians to voice their concerns.


78 posted on 05/17/2005 4:43:24 PM PDT by AJMaXx (ILU Roo.....!)
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To: ViLaLuz

I agree. :)


79 posted on 05/17/2005 5:10:31 PM PDT by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas .....wimmen!)
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To: Random Nonsense
Whoa .. NOW was still exist ? Where was NOW when Terry Schindler needed you heh.

Where were they for Monica Lewinsky and Paula Jones ?

80 posted on 05/17/2005 10:05:01 PM PDT by jokar (On line data base http://www.trackingthethreat.com/db/index.htm)
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