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Even Deep Discounts Can't Move SUVs
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | May 8, 2005 | Michael Taylor

Posted on 05/09/2005 6:52:14 AM PDT by MississippiMasterpiece

It's a Saturday morning on San Leandro's Marina Boulevard auto row, and the big SUVs have been sitting on the lots, waiting for someone to come in and start that dealer dollar dance that ends up with the customer slightly bewildered but paying a lot less for that vehicle than he thought he was going to.

Once in a while, there are takers, although the dealer has to discount the SUV heavily just to get it moving.

Salvador Sotello, for example, recently paid F.H. Dailey Chevrolet in San Leandro $41,000 for a new Chevy Tahoe LT (yes, with leather) SUV that had a sticker price of $58,000. The sale was an anomaly in what is otherwise a pretty dismal selling season. "It's been pretty quiet," saleswoman Crystal Gonzalez said the other day. "Been pretty slow."

At Broadway Ford in Oakland, the grilles of the Mustangs, SUVs and the lone Thunderbird smile at the passing traffic, but the showroom is empty, it appears, of customers; several salesmen are in sight. Up at Albany Ford-Subaru, salesman Myers Howard, sitting a few feet away from a big Ford pickup truck, says things on the Ford side of the showroom "are slow." That might be the understatement of the day.

Just this past week, General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. underwent the humiliation of seeing their credit ratings reduced by Standard & Poor's Ratings Services to the status of junk. The reasons are becoming clear -- the two big companies can't sell much of what they produce.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: autosales; suv
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To: thoughtomator
Because SUVs are not passenger cars.

In your opinion. OK, thanks. I figured it was something along the lines of: I don't like them.

181 posted on 05/09/2005 9:15:16 AM PDT by frgoff
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To: Principle Over Politics

Um, if my choice is between a Geo Metro and a Chevy pickup, I'm opting for hot quick death.


182 posted on 05/09/2005 9:15:35 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Learn to park and drive inside the lines, and no one will get hurt.)
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To: Humvee
The funny thing is, SUV's are deadlier to their occupants than regular cars.

Evidence please.

183 posted on 05/09/2005 9:15:43 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Xenalyte
People who use their SUVs for neither sport nor utility are posers.

Bump to that.

184 posted on 05/09/2005 9:16:03 AM PDT by Bella_Bru (www.JewsforJudaism.org)
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To: brownsfan; thoughtomator
I bet this vehicle would drive you two completely nuts then.

Total restoration on this vehicle. 65 mph road speed, Twin Browning .30 cal machine guns, run flat tires, everything is new or remanufactured. Impress your friends or bank officer while making a deposit. Texas Title and licensed. Located in Houston, Texas Comes with all the extras, manual and a guaranteed good time!

Yes its street legal.

185 posted on 05/09/2005 9:16:06 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no)
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To: Non-Sequitur
What element is that Honda made of? Butt-uglium?

Oh, the Element's not so bad. It looks like parts of it come from the factory pre-coated in grey rattle-can primer. ;^)

186 posted on 05/09/2005 9:16:16 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Lou L

I don't hate SUVs, I simply hate a handful of really big SUVs. There's a bit of a difference.


187 posted on 05/09/2005 9:17:03 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: loreldan

Now that's just plain stupid.

At 12, I was the height I am now, and only about 20 pounds lighter.

I doubt there's a car seat in the world that'll hold five feet ten inches and 125 pounds of girl.


188 posted on 05/09/2005 9:17:03 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Learn to park and drive inside the lines, and no one will get hurt.)
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To: 429CJ
I have never found that the drivers of large vehicles are any more or less likely to drive like a@@holes than drivers of small cars.

You're spot on! I have more of a problem with punks in their little lowered Civics dodging in and out of traffic as though they were immortal than I have with SUV drivers. My Ranger just chooses not to follow too closely behind the SUVs and it does fine with visibility.

This is America. People can choose their own vehicle and those who don't like it can just get over it.

189 posted on 05/09/2005 9:17:45 AM PDT by Luna (Lobbing the Holy Hand Grenade at Liberalism)
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To: Junior
...the car behind him plowed into the vehicle stalled in the lane.

And you blame the SUV for that? LOL

190 posted on 05/09/2005 9:18:34 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: brownsfan
Really? I thought the metal treads would tear the roads up too much.

You use rubber padding on the tracks and the Sherman tank is below the weight limits for a lot of roads. Abrams tanks on the other hand are way too heavy.

191 posted on 05/09/2005 9:18:38 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no)
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To: Non-Sequitur

That's funny, I don't care who you are!


192 posted on 05/09/2005 9:18:51 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Learn to park and drive inside the lines, and no one will get hurt.)
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To: Petronski

No. I merely pointed out the SUV completely blocked the following driver's view of the road ahead, and that the SUV's driver changed lanes suddenly as he was right on top of the stalled vehicle, not giving the following driver any time to react.


193 posted on 05/09/2005 9:19:52 AM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: sportutegrl
Spend the 20 or so minutes that it takes to properly install a baby in the middle back car seat in a low to the ground car and your back will be screaming for you to work with something higher up.

If it takes you 20 minutes to strap an infant in a car seat, ask someone what you're doing wrong.

My sister can pack her car with her three-year old and her year-old twins, and all their assorted gear, in under five minutes. (I saw her do it yesterday. She has quite the system.)
194 posted on 05/09/2005 9:20:48 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Learn to park and drive inside the lines, and no one will get hurt.)
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To: JavaTheHutt

"a bill for up to $7000 when their car's battery dies less than eight years after purchase... "

OUCH !
I assume the salesman mentions it in his presentation :o)
Maybe not - that's why he goes to Sunday bible classes...


195 posted on 05/09/2005 9:21:23 AM PDT by traumer
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To: thoughtomator
When on an average day you can routinely see 6-7 SUVs in a row lined up at a stoplight, it's officially gotten ridiculous.

An example of unvoiced prior assumptions.
196 posted on 05/09/2005 9:22:04 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Xenalyte

"I doubt there's a car seat in the world that'll hold five feet ten inches and 125 pounds of girl."

Did I mention my nickname is "car seat"?


197 posted on 05/09/2005 9:22:51 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: Xenalyte
People who use their SUVs for neither sport nor utility are posers.

Spoken like a southernor. Many people I know drive SUVs to navigate the snow. There are places near here where 4WD is an absolute necessity....and Suburu's suck.

198 posted on 05/09/2005 9:27:48 AM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: Centurion2000

"I bet this vehicle would drive you two completely nuts then."

Nope. This really isn't an emotional issue to me. I actually like cars, and some SUVs kind of cool. I'm just looking at it and applying reason, and this is what I come up with.
I will admit, the stereotypical 5'3" woman in the Navigator, on the cell phone weaving down the road does irritate me.


199 posted on 05/09/2005 9:28:37 AM PDT by brownsfan (Post No Bills)
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To: Bella_Bru; Bacon Man

That's why I have two things:

a) the Amazing Fiberglas Car, the Saturn SC1, and

b) my best friend Bacon as my insurance agent.


200 posted on 05/09/2005 9:28:57 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Learn to park and drive inside the lines, and no one will get hurt.)
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