Posted on 05/07/2005 8:28:33 AM PDT by The Incredible One
KOLKATA: In a major leap for India's nuclear research, scientists here have reached the advanced stage of constructing a superconducting cyclotron that could break the monopoly of the West in the field.
To be operational in two years, this powerful cyclotron being developed at the Variable Energy Cyclotron Centre (VECC) here, namely K500, would be the seventh of its kind in the world.
There are three such cyclotrons in the US, one in Canada, one in Italy and one in the Netherlands.
"K500 would be indigenous and three times more powerful than the existing cyclotron here operational since 1980.
"It will be used by our scientists for carrying out highly advanced research experiments in nuclear science," the centre's director Bikash Sinha said.
"The majority of components were fabricated in the country and some of them, including the superconducting coil, at the VECC itself."
<< I don't see anything in your comments that could help us compete with India and Europe on ground breaking physics research. >>
Who says we must?
Americans -- of every etnicity -- already vanguard the world's scientists, chemists, pharmacists, physicists, engineers, creators, innovators, producers and industrialists -- have for two hundred years -- and have no real challengers in sight.
And the only "challenge" comes from self-deluding dead and decadent Euro-peons, whose Neo-Soviet is already coming apart around their ears and whose soon-to-be-ghastly collapse will occupy them for at least the next fifteen years? Or is, you say, being mounted by various of the planet's third-world Hell-hole states -- most of which haven't yet figgured out how to form a government acceptable to their populations and/or still build the 1948 Morris Oxfords they call "automobiles?" These will "challenge" our superiority in every field of Human endeavor? Those states that are -- if they're lucky -- struggling to catch up to being within thirty years behind us -- and/or to get hundreds of millions of their subjects out of the middle ages-like poverty and serfdom and squalor in which they subsist?
Dream on.
The word "table" is a real slippery one, as most people seems to think it means a vote to keep an amendment than to kill it.
<< Bigoted is better than dumb. So I win against you. >>
Wanna bet?
First I am not in competition here -- it is my prayer that I might compliment those whose aspirations match mine -- and FRee-Republic's.
And second, if I was, I'd put my 188 IQ on the block -- and see if you came up even to my knees -- any day you wish to risk your further humiliation.
I'd like to remind you about Nagasaki and Hiroshima. I'd like to remind you about the Norton Bomb sight, and the strategic bomber. I'd also like to point out that game theory, research produced by von Neumann, actually helped us win WWII. In fact, without it, we might have lost. When the Japanese were trying to understand what had happened to them at the end of WWII, one of the generals complained that they had relied too much on spirit and not enough on science and engineering.
I don't mind that you disagree with me, but I'm just pointing out that there are dangers in trying to do without massive infrastructure spending on development in space and physical sciences research. That spending put us ahead for WWII, and it put us ahead during the Cold War. We'll need to stay ahead of the Chinese and Europeans if we want to maintain strategic superiority.
If you've got other ideas about how to encourage (or simply allow) private industry to enter into these fields and stay ahead of the EU and China, then let's hear it.
Americans -- of every etnicity -- already vanguard the world's scientists, chemists, pharmacists, physicists, engineers, creators, innovators, producers and industrialists -- have for two hundred years -- and have no real challengers in sight.
I don't know what "etnicity" has to do with it, but I think it's dangerous to assume that a lead we had in the 1950s translates into a permanent lead. That lead was obtained through a massive investment of federal research and development spending that launched private industry and government labs to very high levels of achievement.
We won the cold war partly with capitalism-fueld federal spending on space and weapons research.
"What do you expect from a party which doesn't believe in evolution and thinks the second coming will be tomorrow? That's unfair. Evolution isn't something that one needs to "believe..."
vishnu is an anti-Christian troll. I guess a hindu.
AMENDMENT DESCRIPTION:
Amendment terminates funding for the Superconducting Super Collider Project by deleting $400 million appropriated for the project.
AMENDMENT PURPOSE:
An amendment to terminate the Superconducting Super Collider Project by eliminating $400 million of the funding for the project, retaining $220 million to pay for costs relating to termination of the project.
It sounds as though you are a bigot your-self!
Science did not produce freedoms and human rights as mentioned in our constitutions. It was produced from the moral and religious convictions of a majority who were in consensus regarding Judeo Christian beliefs and values. Our "creator" has "endowed" us with rights, not the sciences!
Indeed, without a prevailing sense of Judeo Christian morality in Western Societies from the middle ages to the early 20th century, the modern sciences that have given us so much would never developed.
Science and scientific Lysenko type politicians(who try to use science to destroy Christian influence in America) need to remember that modern science was rooted early in western Judeo Christian consensus and science practitioners run the risk of loss of inspiration....like a river cut off from its source...or a nose cut off to spite one's face!
Science has never created a Bill of Rights; only an A priori
thirst for liberty in the American soul has done so...a thirst that can never be measured, objectively quantified and studied with rigid methodology. The American system is based on true Tautology, a nonfalsifiable arguement in which it is believed that Almighty God rules the affairs of men...raising some nations up while pulling others down!
So I ask you...who are the true bigots?
I don't think Christianity and faith have anything to do with India's bid for superiority in physics and America's tepid, bipartisan response. There is a fundamentalist Hindu belief that India has been blessed with the potential for scientific and mathematical superiority. Faith can move mountains when it helps human beings to achieve their true potential. Besides, I see false dichotomies in both the argument that Christians can't be good scientists (or support exceptionally high quality science) and biological theories of species origin having any relation to God's existence or not. The Victorians started losing their faith when they started buying into the theory of evolution. That may say more about the depth of their faith than anything else.
He sure is feisty.
Sorry about deviating from the thread...but I couldn't let that charge of "christian bigotry" stand!
That's true, a majority of Congressional Republicans voted to kill the SSC...but so did the overwhelming majority of Dems as well. It's interesting to note that Henry Waxman voted to kill the SSC, as did Dennis Hastert...whose district encompasses Fermilab.
Thanks for persisting in correcting my mistaken view of the "table" notion. It looks like... THEY WAFLED!
What version of the IQ test did you take?
At my college, I took an IQ test, but the cap or highest score one could get was 145.
I do know earlier tests allowed for higher scores.
Former COS John Sununu used to brag about his score (180).
<< Former COS John Sununu used to ... [Kid?] about his score. [180]
And, to prove the worth of a high IQ, Bill Clinton, one of the most stupid men to ever drop a brown one between two shoes -- and to boot a full-blown Narcissistic psychotic -- about his alleged 182.
I originally scored on the Cattell Test, the CAT - Cognitive Abilities Test and for Mensa and Triple-Nine.
On the modern test I score around 149.
But 188 has a nicer ring to it. [Particularly when, as just now, some dawk is calling me stupid. (I'm sometimes pretty darned foolish -- but stupid I am not)]
Yea, but billy boy, like everything else, lied.
In 2000 when the whole bs story about iq's was going on, it came out that Clinton, along with Bush sr, and Reagan and various other presidents and canidates, had never taken an IQ test.
Al Gore did, I think he came out at around 115 or something, pretty much in the model of average (between 100 and 115).
Why don't you two genuises start a new thread on your IQ scores?
I'm surprised no one has yet noted one of the big reasons for the Indian sci-tech boom: a move away from the command economy and a bigger emphasis on free-market policies over the past twenty years. This was also the main reason that Ireland became the "Celtic Tiger" of European R & D.
Exactly.
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