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Pat Robertson:No Muslim judges
World Net Daily ^ | May 3, 2005 | World Net Daily

Posted on 05/03/2005 2:33:03 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie

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To: sinkspur

But then again, the majority of Catholic priests weren't excusing McVeigh's behaviour and asking America to look at what she had done to bring this retribution on herself. I don't know of many Catholic clergy who openly support terrorism either.


281 posted on 05/03/2005 9:51:19 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher
That fact that ministers and theologians used the term interchangeably is irrelevant. Politicians think and operate on a different level, and when it comes to crafting a document as important as a constitution, they make sure that words are chosen carefully and convey proper meaning. It has long been known the founding fathers where intending to build a society where all religions could practice freely (w/o persecution). Therefore the word religion was chosen to protect all religions, not just Christian denominations.
282 posted on 05/03/2005 9:52:27 PM PDT by Ksnavely
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To: SALChamps03

That's pretty much the same slur they used to make against Catholics. If a Catholic Republican ever runs for President, they'll wheel it out again, without a doubt.


283 posted on 05/03/2005 9:52:58 PM PDT by SedVictaCatoni (<><)
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To: sinkspur

Well, it would make ME feel better.

Like you said, we'll just have to disagree on this one.


284 posted on 05/03/2005 9:54:09 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: streetpreacher
Ministers and theologians of the time always used the terms "Religion" and "Christian" synonymously.

So? This country was not founded as a theocracy, and is still not one today.

"Religion" means religion, not Christian denominations.

285 posted on 05/03/2005 9:54:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Kretek; sinkspur

I'll refer you both to Post #276.


286 posted on 05/03/2005 9:55:44 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: sinkspur
You want them to take the heat for something done by Saudis, for some reason.

The proof of the 15 hijackers as "Saudis" is based upon visas granted through the now defunct Visa Express program.

In other words, they could have been from anywhere. Don't fall for the leftist rhetoric.

287 posted on 05/03/2005 9:56:18 PM PDT by nunya bidness (Remember, they hated Him first.)
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To: streetpreacher
But then again, the majority of Catholic priests weren't excusing McVeigh's behaviour and asking America to look at what she had done to bring this retribution on herself. I don't know of many Catholic clergy who openly support terrorism either.

And I'm not aware of any but a handful of American Muslims who excused 9/11. Hell, you had pasty-faced white Caucasian Americans saying America deserved 9/11; in fact, more of them than Muslims were justifying it (some on this very forum).

You are broad-brushing an entire segment of the American people, unjustifiably, IMO.

288 posted on 05/03/2005 9:57:33 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: streetpreacher
Original Intent - "Religion" means denominations of Christianity

Uh, actually, no.

Check out, for example, the debates over taxation to support churches, and James Madison's commentaries on the proposals. Note that he even points out distinctly opposite from what you say...that the word religion was used separately from Christianity.

289 posted on 05/03/2005 9:58:46 PM PDT by Gondring (Pretend you don't know me...I'm in the WPPFF.)
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To: streetpreacher

Your #276 is irrelevant. Theologians did not write the US Constitution.


290 posted on 05/03/2005 9:59:01 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: nunya bidness
In other words, they could have been from anywhere.

15 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia. That's a fact.

292 posted on 05/03/2005 10:00:19 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
So? This country was not founded as a theocracy, and is still not one today.

"Religion" means religion, not Christian denominations.


Yes, let's just pretend that the majority of the population of the time were not Protestant Christian and did not use the same vernacular. You're right sinkspur; we were clearly a secular humanist state that was big on diversity.

FWIW, ministers like Finney spoke and wrote in the vernacular of the common man.  It wasn't just the ministers and theologians (who in that day had more influence than the Big 3 networks ever did in their heyday); everyone spoke like that.

But I'm sure you're familiar enough with the literature to refute everything I'm saying here.

Sometimes, I think you're just deliberately argumentative. :-)

293 posted on 05/03/2005 10:01:19 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: sinkspur
15 of the 19 were from Saudi Arabia. That's a fact.

You know how it works sink. I'll wait.

294 posted on 05/03/2005 10:02:26 PM PDT by nunya bidness (Remember, they hated Him first.)
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To: Ksnavely
Lol, what critical thinking skills did your college teach you because you totally just mischaracterize everything that I am and stand for. All I see you doing is transferring what you hate on to who you perceive me to be. Again not very conducive to sound critical thinking.

I must get up early to work, I don't have the luxury of getting into a pi**ing contest with you. You are young and quite arrogant in your beliefs and little "full of yourself." Most of the vitriol you see is raw passion being expressed by those who have lived long enough to witness first hand decades of attacks by forces on the left; increasing burdens high taxes; relentless attacks by the MSM and the likes of the ACLU, and so on and on. People here like the camaraderie of just bit**ing sometimes. It ISN'T all logic and perfect arguments. You have to understand that at different times posters engage at levels that may be at times more intellectual and then again like many on this thread -- just expressing raw frustrations. You are taking too many of the posters too literally -- lighten up.

You come across like a little snot that thinks they are smarter than everyone else. Believe me, there are many very bright people here. Even though you are a little snot, I am glad you are conservative!

295 posted on 05/03/2005 10:04:33 PM PDT by liberty2004
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To: sinkspur; streetpreacher

James Madison studied theology at Princeton under Reverend John Witherspoon.


296 posted on 05/03/2005 10:05:06 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe (Terribot Kook Extraordinaire)
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To: Stingy Dog
I'm questioning our inane immigration politics and policies of allowing the muslimes to enter our Christian country, in the first place.

America is not exclusively for Christians. Look around, you'll see that.

Some large number of Muslims were born here, and segments of the black and white population have embraced Islam, so it's not a matter of immigration.

Had they not been allowed to enter, we wouldn't be having these problems now.

What terrorist acts have been masterminded and carried out by American Muslims? And what "problems" are you referring to, that are caused by American Muslims?

Most Jews I speak to or read on these threads agree with me that they are not welcome here.

Well, they're just as bigoted as you are, then.

297 posted on 05/03/2005 10:05:12 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
And I'm not aware of any but a handful of American Muslims who excused 9/11.

CAIR and many of the so-called "moderate" Muslims.  Heck, I've never met a Muslim that didn't have something negative to say about America.  The ones I've encountered on campus I've actually seen printing off anti-Semitic propaganda on the university computers.  The local cleric handed me literature which bashed Christianity and was nothing but paranoid hate-filled propaganda.  It is a religion of delusion.  Name me one country where Muslims have come to power and they haven't oppressed other religions and/or minorities.  The proof is in the pudding.

298 posted on 05/03/2005 10:07:06 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: streetpreacher
Yes, let's just pretend that the majority of the population of the time were not Protestant Christian and did not use the same vernacular.

There were a few Catholics in there too, pal. And I've read how tolerant the "Protestant Christians" of the time were of Catholics (not very).

We have a Constitution which does not allow discrimination on the basis of religion. If you don't like that, you are free to work to change it.

I wouldn't get my hopes up, though.

299 posted on 05/03/2005 10:08:04 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: nunya bidness

So wait.


300 posted on 05/03/2005 10:08:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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