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New arena for birth-control battle
Star Tribune ^ | May 3, 2005 | Rene Sanchez

Posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:17 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

Rebecca Polzin walked into a drugstore in Glencoe, Minn., last month to fill a prescription for birth control. A routine request. Or so she thought.

Minutes later, Polzin left furious and empty-handed. She said the pharmacist on duty refused to help her. "She kept repeating the same line: 'I won't fill it for moral reasons,' " Polzin said.

Earlier this year, Adriane Gilbert called a pharmacy in Richfield to ask if her birth-control prescription was ready. She said the person who answered told her to go elsewhere because he was opposed to contraception. "I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."

The two women have become part of an emotional debate emerging across the country: Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?

No one knows how many pharmacists in Minnesota or nationwide are declining to fill contraceptive prescriptions. But both sides in the debate say they are hearing more reports of such incidents -- and they predict that conflicts at drugstore counters are bound to increase.

"Five years ago, we didn't have evidence of this, and we would have been dumbfounded to see it," said Sarah Stoesz, president of Planned Parenthood of Minnesota, North Dakota and South Dakota. "We're not dumbfounded now. We're very concerned about what's happening."

But M. Casey Mattox of the Center for Law and Religious Freedom said it is far more disturbing to see pharmacists under fire for their religious beliefs than it is to have women inconvenienced by taking their prescription to another drugstore. He also said that laws have long shielded doctors opposed to abortion from having to take part in the procedure.

"The principle here is precisely the same," Mattox said.

(Excerpt) Read more at startribune.com ...


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How would a pharmicist know whether or not the prescription is needed for medical reasons? Sure, certainly maybe alot of them are strictly for birth control...but I know of examples when a girl needs these pills to help "shut down" or "regulate" her plumbing for medical reasons. Doesnt seem so easy as simply denying someone a prescription...
1 posted on 05/03/2005 5:33:18 AM PDT by wallcrawlr
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To: wallcrawlr

I had a gyno done at Planned Parenthood once. I shouted at the woman to stop offering me birth control because that's not why I was there *lol*


2 posted on 05/03/2005 5:34:37 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: wallcrawlr
Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?

It's the new moral paradigm: Your vocation trumps your principles. That is why lawyers, journalists, and politicians can be lying scumbags while claiming to be moral people. The company needs you to fudge some numbers? Impugn someone's record to make them easier to fire? Tell a few lies to employees and customers? Don't worry, you won't be held accountable, it's your job.

There was a time that even someone with authority over you telling you to do a wrong thing did not remove your responsibility to do what was right. But now anyone, even a total stranger, can command your moral principles to suit themselves and you aren't responsible.

3 posted on 05/03/2005 5:44:40 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: cyborg

If these pharmacists are morally opposed to filling a perscription, as per a physician's orders, they need to find a different line of work. It is not their place to hold moral judgement over what a specific medication does.


4 posted on 05/03/2005 5:44:41 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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If I owned a store pharmacy, I would make it quite clear that I don't sell birth control including condoms. However, some people take BC for reasons other than contraception.


5 posted on 05/03/2005 5:47:11 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: wallcrawlr

Sexually immoral people and their enablers everywhere are "Shocked" and "Furious" that anyone in America would dare to stand up to them and tell them....

"No"!

"I will not do what you demand..because I am opposed to
it on moral grounds"...

Planned Parent Hood (aka Murder Inc.) is "SHOCKED"..I tell you.."SHOCKED"...

The immoral ones then appeal to their black robed thugs to
hurdle any objections by the majority of Americans...

Sex outside of marriage is destroying the family and as a direct result...America...



You can just about count on the libs to come up with some wild ass of an objection or some obscure appeal based on a one in a zillion case where a life was in danger blah blah blah...

In order to get 'their' judges behind them....

At least the pharmacists in this case seem to be fighting back..

God bless them and keep them.

imo


6 posted on 05/03/2005 6:05:41 AM PDT by joesnuffy (The generation that survived the depression and won WW2 proved poverty does not cause crime)
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To: wallcrawlr

This guy should not be a pharmicist, plain and simple. It's fine if he has objections to whataver he wants to have an objection to. Logic would dictate you wouldn't choose a line of work that would so often directly conflict with your beliefs.


7 posted on 05/03/2005 6:08:19 AM PDT by Bones75
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To: cyborg

That's the primary reason behind my post. The pharmacist does not know specifically what the alleged 'immoral' perscriptions are for. And even if they were used for birth control, the pharmacists still should not be judgemental. For health reasons, a woman may not want to risk a pregnancy. Or a husband may use a condom because the couple wants to wait until the wife is done school, etc. It isn't any of the pharmacist's business how a valid perscription is to be used. And it isn't up to a pharmacist to decisions for these people. If a pharmacists sincerely wishes to follow their beliefs, then it should be on a big sign outside the door to the store so customers know not to bring their perscription there. The only exception would be a small community served by a single pharmacy. Then the pharmacists has no right to hold the resodence hostage.


8 posted on 05/03/2005 6:12:30 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: wallcrawlr

I'm glad you posted this already...because I was gonna. I read it this morning in my copy of the Red Star.

I understand a pharmacist's moral reluctance to fill a prescription like that...but it's really not his call to make.

OTOH, if the pharmacist looked at the prescription and at the woman's allergies, etc on file at the pharmacy and said "I don't feel comfortable filling this because it may injure the customer", I'd agree with that.

Maybe this pharmacist needs to find a store where he can feel comfortable in his personal beliefs insteading of imposing those beliefs on someone else.


9 posted on 05/03/2005 6:13:07 AM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: doc30

Should a ob-gyn be forced to find another line of work if he won't perform abortions?


10 posted on 05/03/2005 6:13:47 AM PDT by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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-"I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."-

Good grief, just find another drugstore, duh. There's one on every corner.


11 posted on 05/03/2005 6:27:46 AM PDT by AmericanChef
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Should a ob-gyn be forced to find another line of work if he won't perform abortions?

That's really what this whole furor is about, I think. I am delighted that nurses and pharmacists and others connected with the medical field are finally standing up to the leftish medical establishment, which would dearly love to use government regulations to "normalize" their contempt for human life.

12 posted on 05/03/2005 6:27:49 AM PDT by madprof98
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"I was shocked," Gilbert said. "I had no idea what to do."

Uh, call another pharmacy?

13 posted on 05/03/2005 6:32:02 AM PDT by SuziQ (988)
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It is not their place to hold moral judgement over what a specific medication does.

Why not?

I work in an engineering field. If I'm a construction manager and I'm asked to oersee the construction of a highway project that I suspect may be poorly designed, then I'm not going to build the thing.

And I really wouldn't give a damn if the design drawings are signed off by 500 different licensed professional engineers, either.

14 posted on 05/03/2005 6:35:46 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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(Should a pharmacist's moral views trump a woman's reproductive rights?)

Just how does a pharmacist trump a women's reproductive rights by refusing to fill her prescription? I live in a small town and there is at least 10 places that a prescription can be filled. It is not as if there is a government monopoly.

The system can easily accommodate both parties.

Godspeed, The Dilg
15 posted on 05/03/2005 6:39:59 AM PDT by thedilg
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"How would a pharmicist know whether or not the prescription is needed for medical reasons?"

The pharmacists don't need to know if it's for medical reasons or not--it's none of their business. This sets a bad precedent. What if it's against your religion to sell liquor, cigarettes or nudie magazines? You shouldn't take the job if the duties of that job violate your moral or religious beliefs.

16 posted on 05/03/2005 6:47:06 AM PDT by blaquebyrd
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Precisely. These characters remind me of the jokers who suddenly discover their pacifist convictions after the Army informs them that it's time to pay for that college education.


17 posted on 05/03/2005 6:52:43 AM PDT by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: MplsSteve

A pharmacist has every right to his moral beliefs, and should NOT be required to fill prescriptions that violate his fundamental values. The patient has the choice of patronizing other pharmacies.
I have been an ER physician for over 20 years. I have refused to prescribe the "morning after pill", even in cases of rape. It is my fundamental belief that abortion is murder, and that the morning after pill is a form of abortion. I have never run into any problem with my policy, but I would never back down under any circumstances. In the event of any legal action I would certainly know what organizations to turn to for legal/financial assistance.


18 posted on 05/03/2005 7:04:13 AM PDT by Bushforlife (I've noticed that everybody that is for abortion has already been born. ~Ronald Reagan)
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I used to feel like many of the posters here about this issue - that its none of the pharmacist's business when filling a prescription.

That was when I thought, like most people, that birth control pills somehow prevent conception.

The fact, as I understand it, is that birth control pills do nothing to prevent conception, but instead prevent the fertilized egg from implanting into the uterus.

While that may sound like a difference in semantics, in reality the pill is in effect, a very early-term abortion. The DNA of the parents has already combined to form a new being, albeit a very tiny one.

So, I've come over to the other side on this issue. Birth control pills are not the same animal as condoms or allergy medicine.

As a hypothetical, if euthenasia suddenly became legal, would it not be permissable for a pharmacist to refuse to provide the means to enable that?
19 posted on 05/03/2005 7:04:31 AM PDT by babyface00
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To: wallcrawlr

So true. My wife has not run into that situation but, her need for birth control is more for regulation and control of the effects of PCOS. But we also use it as our contraception.


20 posted on 05/03/2005 7:08:43 AM PDT by kx9088
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