Posted on 05/02/2005 7:25:14 AM PDT by worldclass
Noting that in his Good Friday homily soon-to-be pope Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger condemned the "filth there is in the church," Wheeler believes the pontiff "will not tolerate [homosexuality's] presence in his church."
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So why are masses given in the vernacular, and not latin???
""Gregorian chant is to be given pride of place in the sacred liturgy." Don't let the facts get in your way."
The topic is NOT "Gregorian chant". And thus far, the facts support my position and not yours.
The continued use of Latin in the Roman Catholic Church is simply a convenience for the Church hierachy, and an "affection for tradition", and NOT because Latin is somehow a "sacred language". There is nothing whatsover "sacred" about Latin.
"And as for Episcopalians and Anglicans who call themselves "catholic." That is nice... Read John Henry Cardinal Newman. He will disavow you of that presumption."
Irrelevant to the topic under discussion.
The Apostle Paul was either a lifelong celibate or possibly a widower. He was certainly celibate at the time of his ministry.
However, in his writings he admits that the celibate path isn't for everyone, and in one passage he explicitly assumes the possibility of married men becoming bishops.
Sure we do: Fred Phelps and his 13 children and 52 grandchildren, aka, the Westboro Baptist Church.
Fred Phelps? This guy used to show up on the Iowa State campus every spring and stand outside the Hub screaming.
He drove more people away from church than to it.
Your corrections, per current Church teaching are correct. However, each individual priest can decide whether or not he wants females in the schola or not. Some traddie communities do. Some do not.
I am aware the Pius XII made this change. I believe, however, it is still within my rights to argue as to the prudence or imprudence of allowing women to sing; however, of course, this would not be binding in any way.
I believe that the correct term to be used for laymen is "apostolate," not ministries, at least according to the Second Vatican Council's Decree on the Apostolate of the Laity. I believe the term "minister" and "ministry" is reserved to the ordained, per a document issued by the Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger.
I go to the most conservative Catholic church in Nashville, and the pastor is a dear old man who is close to 80. What would you think of someone who taunted your grandfather and called him a "f-g"?
If Fred Phelps is your hero, you have my sympathies.
thanks!
Good stuff!!
"Not having Altar Girls is a problem for some people. For me, the mother of girls, I see nothing wrong with it."
As a father of three boys and two girls, I see plenty wrong with it. In fact, the text that follows your quote from above answers correctly what you pose. My family (and many others I know, all with many girls in their families) refuses to attend Masses where altar girls flit around the sanctuary, ESPECIALLY when they reach puberty and beyond. It is a distraction, and one that is being made especially to adolescent males.
Anyway, this is the official document on "allowing" female altar servers.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDWCOMM.HTM
1) Canon 230 #2 has a permissive and not a preceptive character: "Laici . . . possunt." Hence the permission given in this regard by some Bishops can in no way be considered as binding on other Bishops. In fact, it is the competence of each Bishop, in his diocese, after hearing the opinion of the Episcopal Conference, to make a prudential judgment on what to do, with a view to the ordered development of liturgical life in his own diocese.
2) The Holy See respects the decision adopted by certain Bishops for specific local reasons on the basis of the provisions of Canon 230 2. AT THE SAME TIME, HOWEVER, THE HOLY SEE WISHES TO RECALL THAT IT WILL ALWAYS BE VERY APPROPRIATE TO FOLLOW THE NOBLE TRADITION OF HAVING BOYS SERVE AT THE ALTAR. AS IS WELL KNOWN, THIS HAS LED TO A REASSURING DEVELOPMENT OF PRIESTLY VOCATIONS. Thus the obligation to support such groups of altar boys will always continue.
Don't feed the trolls.
Each of those reasons applies also to the liturgy -- unless you want to retranslate every few years (hoping you didn't miss any unfortunate linguistic development in the meantime!).
"That was Father Corapi, he is about the best Catholic preacher in America today."
Don't forget, Fr. Groeschel!
I have forgotten the precise canonical language and reasoning utilized to arrive at 'altar babes' from female choir members; your terminology is fine.
The difference is between a 'formal' office and an 'informal' service. Altar girls and female choir members fall under the latter category, at the discretion, yada yada, etc. ad infinitum.
"Second Vatican Council on the Sacred Liturgy: "Latin is to be retained in the Latin rite."
So why are masses given in the vernacular, and not latin???
Certain parts of the Mass (like the readings, which were already read in the vernacular at the Latin Mass anyway) were permitted to be put in the vernacular. But the overall principle stated above was what Vatican II authorized. Don't let the facts get in the way. The fact that hundreds of bishops and priests and the popes were disobedient to the Council is a question you would have to ask them. Pope Benedict XVI will correct that, thankfully.
""Gregorian chant is to be given pride of place in the sacred liturgy." Don't let the facts get in your way.
The topic is NOT "Gregorian chant". And thus far, the facts support my position and not yours.
Gregorian chant is LATIN. NOT Kumbaya and any of the other sordid Protestant English hymns we've had to endure for the past 40 years of wandering in the desert. This supports the thesis that Latin was foreseen by the Council Fathers as being the primary language in the liturgy.
Go concern yourself with the remnants of "orthodoxy" left in the Episcopalian or Anglican ecclesial community, which is cut off from the root and trunk of grace.
bttt
Really? Well, that changes my perspective a lot.
Interesting. Now I wonder if he isn't a liberal plant with the mission of making us look bad.
You're welcome!
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