Posted on 05/02/2005 7:25:14 AM PDT by worldclass
Which makes them ephebophiles, the proper name for chickenhawks.
Subtle and very incisive point. "Imposition" is done by people who occupied an office which 'used to be called' "the Inquisition."
They are "hard-liners"
Your first assumption is wrong. Most priests these days do not know Latin. Those who know it fall into two categories: they love it, having learned it outside the seminary/ they love it, having learned it IN the seminary and realizing its utility and beauty; OR--they learned it in the sem and absolutely hate it.
"...particulars of interpretation of arguable areas of dogma and doctrine."
In the words of the Great Communicator, "There you go again."
Besides Mershon's excellent points--Latin, like Hebrew, Koine Greek, and Old Slavonic/Church Slavonic, is a "sacred language."
There is much to be said in favor of such--sort of like stained-glass windows, silence during parts of the Mass, and really good music--not the Mr. Rogers tripe.
At last count, USA-based good Jebbies number 12.
Better check your numbers, Sink.
For this and for no other reason, I wish this Pope the very best in good health and he has my prayers and best wishes.
One only needs to WATCH B-16's public Masses to know what language he favors. For that matter, B-16 wrote the script for JPII's funeral Mass.
Latin, latin, latin, and MORE latin.
In comparison to the last 20 years, conversions in Africa pre-Vatican II were anemic.
I will never forget being part of the Schola at a church music conference hosted by Christendom College. We sang a high Mass in the lower church at the Shrine. Directly in front of me, in the congregation, was a woman wearing a sari and obviously from Africa.
She absolutely BELTED out the Ordinary of Mass VIII with the choir.
This was in the early/mid 1990's.
You do recall that Mgr. LeFebvre was considered the single greatest missionary to Africa of the XXth Century, sinky?
It's nice to be nice.
But with me, it's not habit-forming.
I don't remember ever corresponding with you... don't even know your screenname. Maybe you could be a bit more clear, instead of posting cryptic one-liners can't be made sense of.
At this point I have no idea where I've went again.
He's going to have to either get with the program and come aboard, or make his own way rowing his own little boat. Benedict XVI is not going to be some big maitre'd to One Big Moral-Theological Smorgasboard where some selfish, self-centered American Catholics can just pick and chose the doctrines that sit well with them and leave the rest on the table. They either follow the Church and Jesus, or they will be out in the cold where they can continue to embrace their own libertine lies against Nature:
....."For some members of the (St. Peter's Square) crowd, Ratzinger was a profound disappointment. As the announcement came, Brian Bennett, 49, began shaking his head. "I think this is a disaster," said Bennett, a political consultant and writer from Long Beach, Calif., who grew up in Merrick and flew to Rome April 4 for John Paul's funeral. Bennett said he did not agree with some of John Paul's conservative teachings but respected him for his peace-making efforts. Ratzinger is not who Bennett had in mind as a successor to John Paul, though. "He reinforces the exclusion that has kept gay Catholics like me out of the church," Bennett said. "Cardinal Ratzinger was the one who wrote the doctrine that says homosexuality is intrinsically evil. Do you really think that gays and lesbians will come back to the church now that he's Benedict XVI? I just hope and pray that the Holy Spirit will open his heart."
May the Lord have mercy.
"He's one of my favs. My girls are afraid of him though. I guess his voice and demeanor scares them. I kid them about it, telling them in my best Bela Lugosi voice, "Father Corapi is coming to get you!"
That's a good one!! I absolutely LOVE his voice! Very strong. His story is still one of my favorites. My kids know who he is now because I quiz them everytime he's on the radio! ;-)
I stand corrected if that is so. I think it's shameful if a majority of Catholic priests do not know Latin.
Latin is, however, the root of many languages and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect it to be treated as any other language in which the mass may be offered.
Do all priests know Spanish, Italian, German, French, Vietnamese,etc,etc?
I still have my Latin missal. I could read it aloud- perhaps the pronunciation would not be perfect, but I could read it. Why couldn't a priest?
Why is Latin-as a language- bad? Because it's 'dead', obscure?
Togo is obscure, so is Swahili. Mass offered in either of those languages is ok- but you prefer the Latin language and you're bad?
Dear ClearBlueSky,
Mass is offered in Latin right now, in many dioceses. In my own archdiocese, besides three old rite Masses said in Latin, there are also new rite Masses said in Latin weekly, including one at the cathedral, often by Cardinal McCarrick.
As well, in our archdiocese, the cardinal has been encouraging of pastors who wish to say the new rite in Latin. Our own pastor tried this last year, with the cardinal's encouragement. But after a few monthly Latin Masses (new rite), interest faded away, and it was discontinued.
Perhaps the reason why more Masses aren't offered in Latin is because folks prefer the Mass in the vernacular.
sitetest
It is precisely because of affection for tradtion that some want to hear mass in Latin. It is what we grew up hearing. The fact that you went into church and communed with God in a mysterious language that was NOT what you used every day added to the awe.
What is wrong with wanting that feeling now? What is wrong with wanting to worship the way your parents, grandparents and ancestors did? No one will be forced to endure a Latin mass if it is offered as any other non-English masses are.
Why NOT let those for whom hearing the liturgy in Latin means something special have it? Who does it harm?
Is translating the mass into Latin any worse than translating it into Vietnamese or Croatian or Urdu?
Why is this ONE language being treated differently than any other? If mass is offered in many languages for the comfort of the faithful, why not in Latin for those of us who feel at home with it?
Who is threatened by Latin mass, and why?
I'm sure God hears us in all languages. He doesn't care how you speak to Him, as long as you do.
He listened to Latin for thousands of years. I don't think if offends Him now.
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