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AIDS: the Fabricated Epidemic (audio lecture by authour whose book was banned in NY Federal Court)
AttacReport.com ^ | Bryan Ellison

Posted on 05/01/2005 10:00:15 AM PDT by TapTheSource

Everthing you thought you knew about AIDS is about to change!

(Excerpt) Read more at attacreport.com ...


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To: Sam Cree

I think that's true. It's frightening to think that a plague like AIDS, which has sucked up immense amounts of government funding and medical research funds, is mostly politicized, with very little done to stop its spread.

I think a lot of the research money may be usefully spent on related matters, like immunodeficiency and cancer, so the money's not entirely wasted. I don't say Duesberg is wrong, I just don't know if he's right. Normally his work would either be confirmed or refuted by other researchers, but I'm afraid I don't believe anyone has really done either. They just condemn him out of hand.


61 posted on 05/01/2005 3:13:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: adam_az
Just let me know when Duesberg gets the Nobel and I'll re-evaluate the facts as known which are to date that he is a flake, a fluke, a flounder and no amount of sycophantic hoopla will change that.

And incidentally, I can read and it is a reflection on your troubled state that you find it necessary to ping me twice just because you forgot something in your breathless haste to sound informative.

62 posted on 05/01/2005 3:24:50 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect, humble of course and obviously incapable of discrimination.)
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To: elmer fudd; TapTheSource
"We have effective drugs to treat HIV now and when you knock peoples viral load back down to barely detectable levels their T-cells replenish themselves and they stop dying of AIDS."

That statement is total vomit!

It is the prescribed drugs that are doing the killing, long before the disease itself can. AIDS is not a viral disease, and 'HIV' is a harmless passenger virus, if it is a virus at all. Magic Johnson and Christine Magiore are perfect living evidence of that fact. They both have been 'HIV-positive' for fifteen years, drug-free, and are in perfect health.

Peter Duesberg's book is fully factual, but he did miss the cause of AIDS. The cause of AIDS has been established by Dr. Lawrence Broxmeyer. AIDS is essentially tuberculosis. It is curable, and many people have been cured.

Go to New Century Press and get the book and open your eyes.

63 posted on 05/01/2005 3:25:16 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The Lord has given us President Bush; let's now turn this nation back to him)
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To: editor-surveyor

"It is the prescribed drugs that are doing the killing"

SO TRUE.

"ONLY 1% TAKING HAART IN 1996" - FOUR YEARS AFTER DRAMATIC DECREASE IN MORTALITIES STARTED.
The proportion of patients receiving HAART changed significantly over the
course of VATS…In January 1996, only 1% of 83 active patients were taking
HAART. This proportion increased to 52% on 1 January 1997, 69% on 1
January 1998, and 79% on 1 January 1999. At the time of enrollment, 31% of
patients were taking no antiretroviral medication, 44% were taking
antiretroviral medication other than HAART, and 24% were taking HAART. "
Murphy EL et al. Highly Active Antiretroviral Therapy Decreases Mortality
and Morbidity in Patients with Advanced HIV Disease. Ann Intern Med. 2001
Jul 3;135(1):17-26 .


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“These long-term nonprogressors [Hiv+ people who remained healthy] are a heterogeneous group with respect to viral load and HIV-1 responses…none had been treated with antiretroviral agents.”

AIDS Research and Human Retroviruses, 12: 585 (1996)
– Harrer, Thomas, et al, Aids Researchers


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“Subjects: homosexual men in Amsterdam. “None of the LTAs [long-term asymptomatics–people who remained healthy]…received any antiviral drugs during the study [7 years].”

Journal of Infectious Diseases, 171:811 (1995)
– Hogervorst E, et al, Aids Researchers


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Only 38% of the HLP [Healthy long-term positives] had ever used zidovudine [AZT]

“…588 men; 42 were 10-15 year non-progressors. Only 38% of the HLP [Healthy long-term positives] had ever used zidovudine [AZT] or other nucleoside analogues, compared with 94% of the progressors [those who
developed AIDS].”

AIDS, 8:1123 (1994)
– Buchbinder, Susan, et al, Aids Researchers

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Haart free

“Seven of 112 hemophiliacs infected with human immunodeficiency virus type-1 (HIV-1) before 1986 through contaminated plasma products are currently healthy, with CD4 T-cell counts above 500 cells/microL, and have never received antiretroviral therapy.”

Blood 1997 Jan 1;89(1):191-200
– Vicenzi E, Bagnarelli P, et al, Aids Researchers


64 posted on 05/01/2005 3:35:10 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

"143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval"..

(143 deaths represents MORE deaths then the total of 1999 mortalities in Cororado, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Washington, New Mexico, Northand South Dakota, Oklahoma, W. Virgina, NJ, Delaware and Alaska combined)

A damning and horrifying accounts of how the US Food and Drug Administration acts in anything but good faith or the public interest. A blistering seven-page expose that points a finger at AIDS activist efforts to speed up the approval process.

"Once a wary watchdog, the Food and Drug Administration set out to become a 'partner' of the pharmaceutical industry. Today, the public has more remedies, but some are proving lethal."

By DAVID WILLMAN, Times Staff Writer

WASHINGTON--For most of its history, the United Food and Drug Administration approved new prescription medicines at a grudging pace, daily homage to the physician's creed, "First, do no harm." Then in the early 1990s, the demand for AIDS drugs changed the political climate. Congress told the FDA to
work closely with pharmaceutical firms in getting new medicines to market more swiftly. President Clinton urged FDA leaders to trust industry as "partners, not adversaries..."

Choice headlines:

"Drug After Drug, Warnings Ignored...danger signs present...even so, top admistrators moved ahead often leaving doctors to assume the risks."

"Warning on Label Omits Deaths...heart problems were mentioned in fine print, not in key dosage data"
"143 Sudden Deaths Did Not Stop Approval...study results kept secret"

"Official Foresaw Deadly Effects..remedy pulled after of death and surgeries"

Find the whole article at
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/reports/fda/


65 posted on 05/01/2005 3:36:45 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

Why people live longer now

To address the claim "that the new meds extends (sic) many of the lives who are hiv+ or have
aids", one need look no further than that bastion of orthodox "AIDS" think, The Journal of the Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndromes and Human Retrovirology.

Publishing their
data in 1997, orthodox "AIDS" researchers claimed that "combination antiretroviral therapy with protease inhibitors clearly improves survival", yet they also state
that their own analysis showed "that San Francisco would have experienced a significant decline in AIDS cases, due to the decrease in HIV seroconversions,
even if combination antiretroviral therapy had not been developed." (J Acquir Immune Defic Syndr Hum Retrovirol 1997, 16(3):182-189.)

The changed definition of AIDS is also a major factor.

For further verification
the 1993 revision of the definition of "AIDS" skewing survival data, please click onhttp://healtoronto.com/rrsurvival.html

In short, when the changing definition of "AIDS" (see the CDC's MMWR 1992; 41:1-19)
was compared to the old pre-1993 version of the definition in which people were diagnosed SOLELY upon clinical considerations (i.e. ACTUAL sicknesses), researchers found, lo and behold, an increase in survival of almost 2.5 times just by controlling
for the revised definition!

They published their findings in the VERY mainstream Journal of the American Medical Association
in 1994 (Vella S, et al. JAMA 1994; 271:1197-9).

So much for making "AIDS" a "managed disease" through "better" medications!


66 posted on 05/01/2005 3:40:07 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: harrowup

"Just let me know when Duesberg gets the Nobel and I'll re-evaluate the facts as known which are to date that he is a flake, a fluke, a flounder and no amount of sycophantic hoopla will change that."

Well, you are unable to answer any of the questions I posed to you.

How does that reflect on you?

Nobel... in the company of greats like Yassir Arafat and Jimmy Carter.


67 posted on 05/01/2005 3:45:55 PM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: adam_az

You didn't ask any questions worthy of a response. You posted a spin not at all credibel. Move along.


68 posted on 05/01/2005 3:47:31 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect, humble of course and obviously incapable of discrimination.)
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To: harrowup

Please point me to 2 things

1) the study which isolates HIV

2) the study that shows it causes "AIDS"


69 posted on 05/01/2005 3:51:06 PM PDT by adam_az (Support the Minute Man Project - http://www.minutemanproject.com/Donations.html)
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To: David Lane; Lancey Howard
==Actually mortalities DROPPED 67% among hemophiliacs between 1985 and 1995 dispite 90% being said to be 'HIV positive'.

That's very true...and if we were to use the twisted correlation = causation logic of the AIDS Establishment, we would then feel perfectly justified in concluding that HIV prolongs the life of hemophiliacs!

The incredible lengths the Public Health Movement has gone to blame AIDS on HIV is almost comical (I would say just plain "comical" if it wasn't so tragic...given all the innocent lives that have been snuffed out by their politically-driven quackery)
71 posted on 05/01/2005 4:05:11 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: adam_az; hinckley buzzard

I have heard hinckley bussard's vitriolic non-arguments before. They emanate from the likes of the Log Cabin Club, gay/AIDS lobby groups, the various AIDS foundations, the Hollywood left, not to mention CDC/NIH/WHO, etc.


72 posted on 05/01/2005 4:14:59 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: harrowup
==Just let me know when Duesberg gets the Nobel and I'll re-evaluate the facts as known

Duesberg was up for the Nobel Prize for his work on cancer until he ran afoul of the leftist AIDS Establishment. He is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, a Lasker Prize winner, and won the NIH Outstanding Investigator grant which allowed him to essentially investigate WHATEVER HE WANTED without the need for peer review...that is, until he began challenging the cause of AIDS (apparently NIH didn't really mean the charge of its own grant). If you want Nobel Prize winners who share Duesberg's views, you might want to consult the following link:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/group.htm
73 posted on 05/01/2005 4:22:12 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource
Duesberg ran afoul of science with psychobabble.

He is the silliest kind of tenured nut.

74 posted on 05/01/2005 4:27:08 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect, humble of course and obviously incapable of discrimination.)
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To: harrowup; adam_az
==You have neither the credentials nor the intelligence to go further.

Adam, I wouldn't bother wasting your keyboard on the likes of throwup. He's an obvious provocateur who has no interest in the truth of the matter. But hey, that's just me. If you must continue debating this charlatan, please do so with the RESPECT HE DESERVES rather than treating him as an honest seeker of the truth (because he's not)--TTS
75 posted on 05/01/2005 4:29:37 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: harrowup
==Duesberg ran afoul of science with psychobabble.

Talk about not having the credentials to carry on this debate! You can't even tell the difference between psychology and biology. May I suggest you go back to high school (assuming you even graduated) and retake these basic courses. Trust me, a little prerequisite knowledge would add to your posts immensely.
76 posted on 05/01/2005 4:45:32 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: ronmon

You're most welcome!!! Please spread the word!!!


77 posted on 05/01/2005 4:48:42 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: adam_az

In any case Duesberg is only one of nearly 4,000 leading scientists and doctorsWHO ALL SAY 'AIDS' is a myth.

The list grows about 10 per week.

If in doubt see: -

http://groups.msn.com/Dissidents-WhosWho


78 posted on 05/01/2005 5:11:41 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: TapTheSource

In any case Duesberg is only one of nearly 4,000 leading scientists and doctors who ALL say 'AIDS' is a myth and a scam.

If in doubt take a look at: - http://groups.msn.com/Dissidents-WhosWho

The list grows by around ten a week.


79 posted on 05/01/2005 5:14:34 PM PDT by David Lane
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To: David Lane

That's good you acknoledge Duesberg is only one of the scientists questioning the HIV=AIDS mumbo jumbo. We shouldn't place all our eggs in one basket should any of these guys be coopted by the AIDS/Public Health Establishment--TTS


80 posted on 05/01/2005 5:16:51 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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