Posted on 05/01/2005 10:00:15 AM PDT by TapTheSource
I have no dog in this fight, but I'd find it very interesting if you could answer the two simple requests made by adam_az.
If you know of a link where this offer is discussed, I'd be interested to read about it.
...and if he were to inject himself without NIH supervision, he'd lose the ability to legally work with the stuff he works with, he'd have his licenses taken away.
Isn't this a somewhat lame excuse? If Duesberg could prove that AIDS was not caused by HIV he would be hailed as a scientific genius and probably wouldn't have any trouble getting "licenses" to work with "stuff".
BTW, how does Duesberg explain the large numbers of people including a very high percentage of hemophiliacs who contracted AIDS from blood products before testing of blood for HIV began?
Heres an example of someone who backed up his words better than Duesberg:
"Joseph Goldberger joined the US Marine Hospital Service (later the US Public Health Service) as an ambitious young doctor, determined to root out the plagues of the American South: yellow fever, dengue, and typhus. He began his research at a time when the causes of infection were not yet well understood.
In 1914, Goldberger began investigating an illness that would intrigue and occupy him for the rest of his life: pellagra. His search for the cause and cure of the disease is the topic of Alan M. Kraut's new biography, "Goldberger's War: The Life and Work of a Public Health Crusader." ...
Many of Goldberger's colleagues believed pellagra was an infectious disease. But Goldberger's visits to tenant farms and millworkers' homes convinced him that the disease was linked to poor nutrition due to poverty. ...
Goldberger suspected that the poor contracted pellagra not from other people, but because they couldn't afford a healthy diet of lean meat, fresh vegetables, and dairy products. His belief that disease could be caused by lifestyle factors was unorthodox and ahead of its time. But he was vilified by established doctors who wanted systematic evidence for his dietary deficiency theory. ...
As proof, he tried to induce pellagra symptoms in healthy people. In 1915, he asked convicts to participate in an experiment in exchange for a full pardon. Instead of the prison diet that included meat and buttermilk, he fed his 12 volunteers a typical tenant-farmer diet of biscuits, mush, grits, collard greens, sweet potatoes, and coffee three times a day. After five months, most developed pellagra. ...
To further demonstrate that pellagra wasn't contagious, he injected his wife (who volunteered) with a pellagra patient's blood. Others, including Goldberger himself, went further. They smeared secretions from pellagra lesions around their noses and (brace yourself) swallowed capsules containing scabs and fecal matter. None contracted pellagra. - link
"Isn't this a somewhat lame excuse? If Duesberg could prove that AIDS was not caused by HIV he would be hailed as a scientific genius and probably wouldn't have any trouble getting "licenses" to work with "stuff"."
You sound really sure of that. How many years would it take, though?
You're blaming the guy for wanting to play by the CDC's own rules...?
Duesberg ping...
"If Duesberg could prove that AIDS was not caused by HIV he would be hailed as a scientific genius and probably wouldn't have any trouble getting "licenses" to work with "stuff"."
You must be killing. You don't get praise for wrecking an industry now estimated to gross $300,000,000 Worldwide.
The way science works is you don't have to disprove a hypothesis, you have to prove it.
Twenty one years after it was announced "that HIV was the probible cause of AIDS" it remains unproven.
"HIV' has never been isolated and nothing about the hypothesis is fitting the facts.
AIDS remains AID$
Sorry about the typo. That should read "you must be kidding" not "killing".
However, belief in the myth is "killing" people for no good reason....unless you own Glaxco.
agree 100% - you replied to the wrong guy
I wouldn't count on Harrowup answering...
Care to show me once?: Not an unsupported allegation by someone in the AIDS industry.
Oh, he answered... by freepmail...
Just a one word response though.
Likewise, what is Duesberg's treatement and the cure rate thereof?
Get back to us when he does so.
Dr. Willner did it SEVEN times with no ill results.
POINT PROVEN
>>I think a lot of the research money .....<<
Where there is a lot of grant or research money, there is manipulation. It doesn't matter what industry, the money brings the greedy manipulators.
SO TRUE
The link between industry, authors and their results By Jeremy Laurance
23 April 2004
Cancer drugs: Just 5 per cent of studies funded by the pharmaceutical industry reached unfavourable conclusions about the companies' drugs compared with 38 per cent paid for by non-profit organisations. ( Journal of the American Medical Association , 1999)
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/story.jsp?story=514316
Drug firms profit from 'murky' link with journals, study shows Companies are misleading doctors, patients and governments to push their medicines, says a special edition of the 'BMJ' By Maxine Frith, Social Affairs Correspondent
30 May 2003
The "murky" relationships between the world's leading pharmaceutical companies, supposedly independent medical journals and family doctors are exposed in the British Medical Journal today.
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/story.jsp?story=410738
Why on earth do you expect a 'treatment' from Dr. Duesberg for a disease that doesn't exist, caused by a virus that nobody can find? Hasn't Duesberg done enough to draw attention to the fact that this whole AIDS science is baloney?
Sure, people are dying. They always were. Let the medical establishment work on the ailments their patients really have, not some get-rich scheme for pharmaceutical companies.
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