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Tiger's Out This Week. No Bull.
Newsweek ^ | 04/25/2006 | Steven Levy

Posted on 04/25/2005 8:18:50 AM PDT by r5boston

It's Steve Jobs's plan to make this the Week of the Tiger. But Bill Gates and his minions at Microsoft are crying bull—specifically, a Longhorn steer. Despite the zoological bent, this dust-up is not about animals, but operating systems; Apple and Microsoft just happen to have named each of their major system upgrades after beasts of the realm. This Monday, Bill shows off the future of Windows, a.k.a. Longhorn, at a developers' conference. The oohs and aahs may be tempered by the fact that the hundreds of millions of Windows users won't get their hands on it until holiday season, 2006. (Unless it's even later.) On Friday, Jobs proudly presents the latest Macintosh OS X upgrade, named after that big striped cat that he always seems to have by the tail. When can the 25 million Mac users get their hands on Tiger? This year. This month. That day. Growwwl.

That's a big point for Apple in the latest matchup in high tech's equivalent to the rivalry between the Yankees and the Red Sox. Both companies seem to understand what's really necessary and really cool for the next stop in desktop computing: support for the powerful new generation of 64-bit chips that are coming online; search capabilities built in, so you can mine your own documents as smoothly as Google scans the Web; a suite of persistent, constantly updated tiny applications that keep track of stuff like weather and stock quotes. A way to take advantage of the hot RSS technology that lets you "subscribe" to Web sites instead of visiting them every day or two. And a sleek appearance that relegates the traditional file-and-folder metaphor to the antique shop. Both new systems go a long ways toward making that big step.

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TOPICS: Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; longhorn; lowqualitycrap; mcw; microsoft; poisoningthewell; tiger
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To: general_re

Accepted...I see the point you make.


81 posted on 04/26/2005 3:15:09 AM PDT by rlmorel
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To: Swordmaker
The findings were eye opening.

Good stats. I'll get back to you on them... I need to ...


82 posted on 04/26/2005 3:20:36 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: softwarecreator
They all have good and bad points, none are superior to each other, just different.

I disagree. That's like saying all political parties are the same, or all cars are the same.

There is a lot of evidence that Mac OS X is a better choice for most computer users than Windows or Linux.

83 posted on 04/26/2005 3:38:00 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: Swordmaker

I watched the video of Bill Gates at WinHEC with the demos of Longhorn that he claimed will be available late next year. It was a total bore. They showed a bunch of technology that Apple has been shipping for years - or will start shipping later this week.


84 posted on 04/26/2005 3:49:33 AM PDT by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: avenir
he nailed it and it was like the WHOOSH! you get from a modern roller coaster. I laughed out loud in glee. ...

I did drive a 740 turbo wagon, but have replaced it. I drive a Mac, too. Same exhiliarating feel... It's not the Porsche Cayenne, but it's half the price, with most of the go... whoosh, whoosh!


85 posted on 04/26/2005 4:20:06 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo
Your Windoze machines are probably all right, but they sure do catch a lot of bugs!

LOL. Explain to me again how innocent you guys are about attacking other people.

86 posted on 04/26/2005 4:22:57 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
You're invading a Mac thread. What do expect, roses?

You sound like...


87 posted on 04/26/2005 4:38:04 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: pageonetoo

So, basically, you readily admit that you're full of it. I figured as much. LOL.


88 posted on 04/26/2005 4:39:41 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: general_re
So, basically, you readily admit that you're full of it.

Nope, I readily admit that you are trolling...

89 posted on 04/26/2005 4:48:31 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: Swordmaker

Thank you for your diligence. I will go offline now for a moment of smug self-satsifaction.


90 posted on 04/26/2005 4:54:13 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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To: SlowBoat407

satsifaction=satisfaction.

damn.


91 posted on 04/26/2005 4:55:40 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (I'm not nearklym drunk enough tom deal with it. - FReeper Wormwood, 4/18/05)
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To: SlowBoat407; softwarecreator

... and audio work.

While a lot of kids use PCs, the VAST majority of musicians and producers use Macs. It's more than just a computer "good for graphics" -- it's the whole UI experience that just feels more "cooperative."


92 posted on 04/26/2005 5:11:16 AM PDT by Theo
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To: Swordmaker; pageonetoo
Well, see, the problem there is that I'm not so arrogant as to tell people when they should be insulted, or so arrogant as to set myself up as the arbiter of good taste by "ranking" insults according to my own secret formula. Aside from that, you can semi-rationalize posts about alternative OS'es on threads about bugs, holes, security flaws, et cetera - I personally think that it's thread hijacking, but I'm going to let it go, because I don't need to take on edge cases to make my case.

So, instead, I went through the last 17 threads on Longhorn, where Longhorn was in the title or the keywords, in order to see how many times Apple users hijacked the thread with comparisons that had absolutely no purpose other than to provoke - and that's the only possible reason for making such posts about unreleased software, to parade one's superiority and provoke others. So, of the 17 thread with Longhorn in the title or keywords, how many of them do you suppose were graced with the presence of the "Get a Mac!" posters? Go on, take a guess.

Okay, I'll tell you - of the last 17 threads about Longhorn, 15 of them had someone chiming in, absolutely unbidden, of course, with the "Get a Mac!" chorus. That's 88% of the threads about Longhorn, for those playing at home. So basically, this notion that you guys do nothing to provoke the flamewars, that it's just those nasty other folks invading someone else's thread and causing all the trouble, is just complete BS. Sell it somewhere else.

See, if there's a real difference between us, it's that I'm perfectly capable of recognizing that this is a topic that lots of people are passionate about, on all sides, and that no faction has anything remotely resembling innocence here. If you guys want to continue deluding yourselves about how sweet and special and oppressed you are, be my guest, but I see no reason whatsoever for me to actively support such nonsense. Troll on that.

93 posted on 04/26/2005 5:59:41 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: Theo; SlowBoat407; softwarecreator
. It's more than just a computer "good for graphics" -- it's the whole UI experience that just feels more "cooperative."

That's because the OS was actually carefully designed by HCI (Human Computer Interaction) engineers to account for how the human brain works, and then work with it. Windows was basically a slapped-together shell with little thought of the people who would be using it.

94 posted on 04/26/2005 6:28:50 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: John Valentine
The truth is that Mac users are WAAAY past caring about what goes on in the MS world

Absolutely. And it doesn't bother me to be in the 4%.

95 posted on 04/26/2005 6:34:19 AM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: general_re
and that no faction has anything remotely resembling innocence here.

I do see a lot of Mac references that assume old hardware and operating systems. There are claims of viruses in the wild, or an OS without SMP and preemptive multitasking, not good for server use and having no appreciable server software for it. I've also seen hardware claims that it is completely non-standard and closed (as in, can't get standard peripherals, hard drives, memory, etc.).

I can't remember a Mac person slamming Windows for being just a DOS shell or having no file security features (IOW, confusing current Windows with 9x).

96 posted on 04/26/2005 6:37:22 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: HAL9000
There is a lot of evidence that Mac OS X is a better choice for most computer users than Windows or Linux.

Maybe. I wouldn't know about these studies, if there are any. I personally choose PC's with Windows over Macs. Those who choose the other way are right too. It's a freedom of choice.

97 posted on 04/26/2005 6:41:09 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Well, if one intends to flame, one should at least make the flames semi-accurate ;)


98 posted on 04/26/2005 6:45:24 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Windows was basically a slapped-together shell with little thought of the people who would be using it.

And yet it does everything I want it to. Guess it was just luck that did this.

I guess what most Mac enthusiasts don't realize is that I don't care to have an "experience" with my PC.  I don't want to spend that much time or thought on it.  It's a computer not a sexual partner. I just want to plug it in, do what I want and then turn it off again.  Of course, for some people that does kind of explain their sexual needs, too. =)

99 posted on 04/26/2005 6:46:49 AM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Hit enter too early...

Anyway, it is a two-way street, though. To listen to some folks around here, the uptime of Windows is measured in seconds, and about 99% of the time the power is on, the machine is blue-screened. Well, you know, I honestly can't remember the last time I saw a stop error - it's been literally years. And it's not like I'm not pushing it - I'd bet money that I push my machines harder than most folks. Obviously, I don't claim that it's completely extinct - flaky drivers or bum hardware will scram any OS - but the general characterization of MS stability looks to me to be stuck in about 1996. It's like folks stopped paying any attention to alternatives back in the Win 95/System 7 days. Whatever your perception of the OS was 10 years ago, that's how it still is today. Or so the assumption seems to be.

100 posted on 04/26/2005 6:51:26 AM PDT by general_re ("Frantic orthodoxy is never rooted in faith, but in doubt." - Reinhold Niebuhr)
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