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To: Orgiveme

Yes you are being emotional you're in a tough spot in life but that happens. That's a very fuzzy statement, a lot of things in any dose "could be" a bad thing, but there's never been a reputable study that links vaccines, with or without the trace elements of mercury found in thimerosol, to autism.

And I'm not going to answer the question because it's nothing more than an attempt to create the logical fallacy of poisoning the well. Nothing about being related to an autistic kid makes one more or less able to read and understand the studies.

My posting is completely unemotional and 100% logic based, I have no ego tied to the situation I don't work in the pharmacuetical industry and nothing about the discussion will alter my life in the slightest. I just like to apply simple logic to discussions. unfortunately if you're trying to block vaccines you're not doing anything to prevent autism and are doing something to prevent healthy children in the future by re-introducing ailments we once thought of as conquered. I devote my time and energy to logic and thinking through the actual consequences of actions, but not my emotions because that would get in the way of logic.


393 posted on 04/21/2005 11:22:50 AM PDT by discostu (quis custodiet ipsos custodes)
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To: discostu
Nothing about being related to an autistic kid makes one more or less able to read and understand the studies.

I disagree.

Having a vested interest in finding a solution makes you more (not less) likely to look more at the background of the studies, who's doing them, what their incentive is, etc., instead of just looking at the numbers on their face.

Having a vested interest in finding a solution makes you more (not less) likely to resist succumbing to the (albeit comfortable) predisposition to accept, with blind faith, everything your doctor tells you.

Someone who can actually look at the situation logically is, actually, all many of us are hoping for. To date, we have been disappointed. The fact that you only seem to recognize drug company and AMA studies as "reputable", without taking into consideration what they would potentially face if their studies told a different outcome, tells me everything I need to know about your "unemotional and 100% logic based" stance.

unfortunately if you're trying to block vaccines you're not doing anything to prevent autism and are doing something to prevent healthy children in the future by re-introducing ailments we once thought of as conquered.

This, of course, is the ultimate argument of those people who profess to being 100% logical. The "all or nothing" defense.

Logic would actually dictate that what we're really trying to do is to make vaccines safe for everyone. Not just the (declining) ratio of 265 out of 266 people. Logic would also dictate that, sense we are more or less covered by the "herd immunity" concept, this is a PERFECT time to figure out what's wrong with the vaccines, and FIX THEM!

396 posted on 04/21/2005 11:46:29 AM PDT by Egon (Liberals: The only group of people they don't want to kill are those that kill others.)
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To: discostu
And I'm not going to answer the question because it's nothing more than an attempt to create the logical fallacy of poisoning the well. Nothing about being related to an autistic kid makes one more or less able to read and understand the studies.

I disagree with your accusation and your premise. I meant what I said: not interested in your input. It meets with your logic but you are not personally vested in finding answers to the need for immunization that avoids causing problems that are as bad or worse for a significant and growing number of the population.

You either are in denial about a personal investment or you really are not personally invested; I believe that skews your perception. I am sincerely sorry for what is either your lack of emotional investment or your denial of the same and your inability to see how that might influence your perceptions. Your posting was neither logical nor was it unemotional. I think you have issues around those two things.

Thanks for your sentiment (such as it was) but I'm quite at peace with my role in life. It is tough, but it's tougher for our son and that's of more concern to me. I am also of the impression that you have not read through the entire thread, which I am in the process of doing; otherwise, you would have noted that my focus has been on Pitocin as the cause of our son's damage rather than (in our case) mercury from vaccinations. You would have also realized that my "goal" is not elimination of immunization, per se, but that I keep encouraging people to look at homeopathic nosodes as a vehicle of immunization instead of inoculation with massive doses of (sometimes mercury-laden) vaccines with foreign proteins that can cause the body to shut down its own immune system, leading to other problems including auto-immune reactions.

I've got 24 years on you, a personal investment in a solution you apparently don't have, and a wealth of experience and input from people who are simply more open-minded, more invested in the problem, and more questioning of the status quo than you are. You can deny an emotional investment in the status quo all you want, but your postings don't support that. You offer no logic anywhere that I can see but center primarily on personal attacks about my "emotions" and "lack of logic." If you read the entire thread and do so with an open mind, you'll learn a lot and your "arguments" will be more worthy of that name.

Please don't bother to answer if it's just more of the same.

399 posted on 04/21/2005 12:06:53 PM PDT by Orgiveme (Give me liberty orgiveme death!)
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