Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko
Matt Foreman, executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, was raised Catholic but left the church in 1986 after former Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger -- the new Pope Benedict XVI -- issued a letter to the bishops on the "pastoral care of homosexual persons." The letter described gays as "intrinsically disordered" and homosexuality as a "tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil."
"I think most of us who were gay and Catholic will never forget when Ratzinger's letter came out. It was so stunning in both its breadth and depth of condemnation," Foreman said. "The Cardinals have elected the most outspoken and venomous opponent of equal rights for gay people in the Catholic church's hierarchy." Around the country gays and lesbians responded to the news of the new pope with incredulity and concern, citing Ratzinger's history of speaking out against gay marriage and adoption and inclusion of gays in the Catholic church.
"My initial reaction as a gay, Catholic man is disbelief and sadness, almost depression," said Gino Ramos, the co-chair of the gay Catholic organization Dignity/San Francisco. "My heart sank when I heard the name Joseph, and I said, 'Oh my God, bless us all.' "
Local chapters of DignityUSA used to meet on church property, but after members publicly rejected the Vatican's 1986 letter, they were no longer welcome, said Sam Sinnett, the national president.
To this day, members meet at non-Catholic churches instead; Dignity/San Francisco, which has around 85 members, gathers at Seventh Avenue Presbyterian Church in the Sunset District. "After that letter was promulgated, we felt like we were in exile," Ramos said.
Maurice Healy, spokesperson for the Archdiocese of San Francisco, said, "We don't reject gay and lesbian people. They're part of the church as much as anyone else. But they're also called to the same teachings of the church as everyone else is called to." He was not able to immediately confirm the policy toward the organization Dignity in the Archdiocese of San Francisco.
Gay advocates pointed to several other occasions when Pope John Paul II publicly spoke out against homosexuality or gay rights -- and note that Ratzinger was the late pope's chief enforcer of doctrinal orthodoxy. A 1999 order submitted by Ratzinger and approved by the late former pope permanently barred Sister Jeannine Gramick and the Rev. Robert Nugent, who were based in Maryland at that time, from any pastoral work involving gays or lesbians. The two were sanctioned because they had failed to communicate the church's teachings regarding the "intrinsic evil of homosexual acts."
A 2003 Vatican document on legal recognition of same-sex unions signed by Ratzinger said that "the legalization of evil is something far different from the toleration of evil" and that allowing gays to adopt children would "actually mean doing violence to these children."
While the statements reflected the intent of the papacy, Sinnett said, "I don't think there's any question that they must reflect what he believes." Such language, he said, "makes it very difficult for people in good conscience who are looking for moral leadership to properly integrate their spirituality and their sexuality."
Foreman said he was concerned that gays and lesbians would face worse treatment by the Catholic Church under the new pope, but some gay Catholics said they held out hope that, in his new role, Pope Benedict XVI would have a different approach to the gay members of his flock.
"While I have grave concerns about it based on what he's written in the last 20 years, we're still going to keep praying to the Holy Spirit that his heart and mind will be opened," said gay Catholic Paul Riofski, 47, of Antioch. "We'll continue to pray for the Holy Spirit to grant him enlightenment about who we are."
That Gallup poll has been debunked.
Back in the '50s, Bishop Sheen was scathing in his remarks about modern psychiatry and psychology, but there weere always those who disagreeed. In the '60s, som any clergy bought into the therapy stuff, even though it is moonshine.
The Church in Europe has softened its teachings, giving into liberalism with winks and nudges, and we see the effect. No one takes them seriously.
CNN poll:
Do you like the agenda of the new Pope?
61% - Catholics
19% - lib Catholics
Carl Bernstein wants the Pope to give out condums
Chuckie Schumer and Barbara Boxer and Carl Levin say they will vote not to confirm the Pope
GLAD is screaming.......
Certain other groups are calling him a NAZI anti-Semetic - saying he is Jerry Falwell's evil twin
More Catholics and voter of German ancestry will vote Republican now
Whgat abour the priests? I have heard priests who are less orthodox on the subject than Calvin.
He believes our liberation of Iraq and stopping the slaughter of hundreds of thousands was as bad or worse than the slaughter we stopped.
He is part of the legion of the lost, the church of whatever, the order of tell any lie for power.
John Kerry voted for the Pope before he voted against him.
Benedict XVI is no weak shepherd.
Hmmmmm....
Let's see:
Abortion is still murder.
Priests will still celebrate the Mass. There will be no Prisetesses.
Divorce still rates as Excommunication
Homosexuality is still Sacrilige
Seems like nothing much has changed since Pope John Paul II. Nor shall it.
Can't see for the life of me why the Liberal and Cafeteria Catholics are PO'ed.
Jack.
total truth good friend!!!!
*shakes head* What a FAILURE of spiritual direction. My b-i-l said that among his classmates, there hasn't been much of a problem with the guys; only a couple left the seminary, but are either deacons, or are still very faithful Catholics. NONE of them have been involved in any abuse of kids or teens.
I suspect a lot of the men who couldn't handle the celibacy part just were not given any spiritual formation in that most important subject.
"I wish I had written a more explicit letter to Sara than I did." You have had good friend you have had I do feel persons do not know truth truth is truth good G-D is good G-D one truth!!!!Thank you all
You put yourself in exile, Mr. Ramos, because of your decision to be an activist for your lifestyle.
I believe this is why he chose the name Benedict. St. Benedict is the Patron Saint of Europe, and Benedict was a reformer. I believe Benedict XVI wants to re-evangelize Europe.
My b-i-l described Pope Benedict XVI as being a 'red-stater'. He's from an area of Bavaria where the Catholics are very faithful to the Church, and always have been.
It was one of those turns toward Moderism that has proven to be a huge mistake for the Church.
Nope, re-marriage after divorce without an annulment removes one from the Sacraments. Just getting a divorce does not do so.
I stand corrected, SuziQ.
Jack.
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