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Liberal US catholics dismayed at choice of Pope
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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko

BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.

Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.

Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.

"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'

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Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.

"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.

"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.

Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.

Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".


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To: scheuber
Hey, it wasn't us Episcopalians that went around "boofing" alter boys. We have wives for that.

Tell that to Bishop Vicki Robinson. He had a wife at one point too, if I remember correctly....
121 posted on 04/19/2005 6:14:02 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: sinkspur
The Church has not paid nearly as much as it's going to pay. The Church will have learned its lesson when Benedict XVI invites some of these victims to the Vatican, meets with them, and publicly apologizes on behalf of the Church for, in many cases, ruining their lives.

Actually, such a thing wouldn't be nearly as appropriate as Cardinal Mahoney, Archbishop Weakland, Bishops Clark, Hubbard, and McCormick and many others of that ilk appearing in sack-cloth and ashes on national television, begging forgiveness for what they've done--and then stepping down.
122 posted on 04/19/2005 6:18:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Alex Marko
It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

I think the Vatican has done this? Contracted out to the ECUSA to study and test case these policies... so far, I heard the results are dismal. ;-)

123 posted on 04/19/2005 6:19:11 PM PDT by american colleen (Long live Benedict XVI!)
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To: Antoninus
Actually, such a thing wouldn't be nearly as appropriate as Cardinal Mahoney, Archbishop Weakland, Bishops Clark, Hubbard, and McCormick and many others of that ilk appearing in sack-cloth and ashes on national television, begging forgiveness for what they've done--and then stepping down.

That would be good, too, but the sore will fester as long as BXVI ignores it, or thinks it's a media conspiracy.

124 posted on 04/19/2005 6:21:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: michaelt
Yeah, but there's another story posted that says lots of Third World Catholics are disappointed too, so that means just about everyone doesn't like the new Pope.

'Lots' is rather vague. 10 percent would still be 'lots'.

125 posted on 04/19/2005 6:24:37 PM PDT by nosofar
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To: sinkspur
That would be good, too, but the sore will fester as long as BXVI ignores it, or thinks it's a media conspiracy.

Your criticisms of a Pope who was named 8 hours ago are laughably pathetic.

You're obviously unhappy with your new boss. It's a crying shame, deacon, it really is.
126 posted on 04/19/2005 6:25:21 PM PDT by Antoninus (Benedictus qui venit in nomine Domini, Hosanna in excelsis!)
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To: Alex Marko

Let's hear it all together now for the liberals..................



OOOOOOOhhhhhhhh, soooo, sorry!








127 posted on 04/19/2005 6:25:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Petronski


Lots of angels getting wings henceforth.
BTW, I like your new tagline too.


128 posted on 04/19/2005 6:26:00 PM PDT by onyx (Pope John Paul II - May 18, 1920 - April 2, 2005 = SANTO SUBITO!)
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To: gidget7

Amen.


129 posted on 04/19/2005 6:28:16 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: scheuber
Hey, it wasn't us Episcopalians that went around "boofing" alter boys.

No. You just elect the boofers Bishop.
130 posted on 04/19/2005 6:32:08 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Antoninus
You're obviously unhappy with your new boss

My bishop is my boss.

I am expecting to be pleasantly surprised by BXVI. He knows he has to be pastor to all the people, which is completely unlike his previous position.

131 posted on 04/19/2005 6:34:00 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Alex Marko
Catholics for a Free Choice

Funded by athiest George Soros.

132 posted on 04/19/2005 6:34:09 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Cause if it's goods on the left, than I'm sticking to the right." - "Hell's Bells")
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To: Alex Marko

Gee, maybe the liberal 'CINO's', should break away and form their OWN brand of Catholic church...and elect their OWN flavor of a pope.


133 posted on 04/19/2005 6:34:54 PM PDT by mommadooo3
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To: MisterRepublican
"looks like the criminal bushgang won the pope auction

WTF? Bush isn't Catholic.

134 posted on 04/19/2005 6:36:40 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Cause if it's goods on the left, than I'm sticking to the right." - "Hell's Bells")
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To: mewzilla

"Liberal U.S. Catholics...
Talk about an oxymoron."

When I finally got to this thread, your words were my words exactly!

Thank you!


135 posted on 04/19/2005 6:38:23 PM PDT by proudmilitarymrs (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: sinkspur; Antoninus; .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; ..
the sore will fester as long as BXVI ignores it, or thinks it's a media conspiracy.

Pope Benedict XVI needs to make a sincere PUBLIC apology:

Dear People of the World,

Today I apologize for the imprudent, nay, diabolic, acts of the hierarchy of our Church over the last60 years.

We knew that homosexual men would molest teenage boys, but we let them into our seminaries anyhow.

In atonement for this sin, I hereby direct ALL dioceses in the world to resume actively screening out homosexuals from Holy Orders, and to begin removing ALL priests who are known to have been homosexually active in the last ten years.

N.B.: If you are a homosexual bishop, this includes you. Good luck in your new job.

Sincerely,

Pope Benedict XVII, The Hammer.

You are being pinged because you previously requested to be added to my personal "orthodox Catholics" ping list. If you would like to be added or removed, please send me a FReepmail. --Dr. Brian Kopp (Polycarp IV)

Gloat Fest 2005

136 posted on 04/19/2005 6:39:12 PM PDT by St. Johann Tetzel ( † Theresa Marie Schindler, Martyr for the Gospel of Life, pray for us. †)
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To: LonePalm
Simple, yet profound distinction.
137 posted on 04/19/2005 6:50:04 PM PDT by mother22wife21 ("I can't buck dance."- Mae Magouirk,recovering from starvation and dehydration.)
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To: hineybona
I think we should constantly remind everyone and remind every in the media how " INTOLLERENT " the liberals are being towards this new Pope, and Christians.
138 posted on 04/19/2005 6:50:15 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The ( FOOL ) hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: sinkspur

Nah, he's just being realistic about it and putting it in proper perspective. Bulk of the problem was chicken-hawking gay priests, not really pedophiles, per se. He's got an accurate bead on the sick fascination of the press in gleefully reporting every sin of the Catholic Church. The press has the right address of the institution they need to go after to really get the world inescapably hurtling toward total secularism.


139 posted on 04/19/2005 6:50:27 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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To: Alex Marko

"LIberal Catholics" -- I always chuckle when I read that term. Those folks need to get a clue; either you believe what the Church teaches, or you don't. If you don't, then please take care not to let the door hit you on your way out.


140 posted on 04/19/2005 6:53:16 PM PDT by Proud2BAmerican
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