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To: RWR8189
Welcome to Amerika.

The only thing more disgusting that what happened to this American is the fact that many so-called "conservatives" will applaud his abuse by "the system"

2 posted on 04/14/2005 11:03:21 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Mulder

Um I'm sorry but the system was never abused.

In any system, there will be mistakes etc...it seems to me that this young man took a risk by taking part in the protests-- and was arrested and charged in good faith by the police and prosecutors.

I feel no sympathy at all for him or his family.

Amerika? With a k.

Bye bye troll.


5 posted on 04/14/2005 11:06:49 PM PDT by watsonfellow
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To: Mulder
Was he in New York, did he try to help the police catch the "real" culprit?

I hope the lefties that recruited him are helping to pay his bills.

10 posted on 04/14/2005 11:16:48 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Mulder

Can you serve a little cheese with your WHINE.

He got what he deserved. Came to New York to cause trouble and got more then he bargained for.


17 posted on 04/14/2005 11:22:19 PM PDT by bannedfromdu
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To: Mulder

What's with the "scare" quotes? I thought only my old professors did that. Or rather, I "thought" only "my" old "professors" did that. And America is not spelled with a 'k'. Use of the 'Amerika' spelling is offensive--unless, of course, you're referring to the Kafka novel of that title. Which I don't think you were.


18 posted on 04/14/2005 11:22:40 PM PDT by Rembrandt_fan
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To: Mulder

While I'm not celebrating, I don't see him as a hapless unfortunate either.

He positioned himself in an environment of disorderly conduct that was very mob-like. The police were just doing their jobs. In an uncontrolled environment like that, it's hardly surprising they weren't able to effectively nab the right person.

If he was unwilling to assume the risks associated with that, he should have found a more calm group and protested elsewhere.

It's like hanging out with a gang. The kid may not do anything wrong, but it's hard to sympathize with him if he gets in trouble anyway.


20 posted on 04/14/2005 11:23:32 PM PDT by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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36 posted on 04/14/2005 11:41:26 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Mulder

If I believed the NYT was really telling the whole story, I'd be outraged. I want to know more before I applaud or agitate about what an abuse of the system it is.


51 posted on 04/15/2005 12:09:45 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (The South will rise again? Hell, we ever get states' rights firmly back in place, the CSA has risen!)
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To: Mulder

The whole point of this article seems that it's unfair for someone to have to pay legal expenses even though they ended up being innocent.

I totally aree.

However, where is the media when thousands of frivolous lawsuits get filed every year against businesses and the medical industry? How about the lawsuits filed by leftist activist groups against the government (where we all end up paying the legal bill)? It seems that it takes a leftist to be ensnared by the legal system before the media thinks anything is unfair.


56 posted on 04/15/2005 12:12:54 AM PDT by winner3000 (part)
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There are several things to consider.

The first is that the moron put himself into a situation in which it was already a publicized fact that arrests were probably going to be made. Even though he has been cleared, he is responsible for putting himself in that position to be mistakenly arrested.

Now does his lack of good judgment merit the cost of the error on the part of the police?

I would have to say no, it does not. If he is innocent, then the prosecution should pay for his legal fees, but only for his legal fees.

Now, as for the other expenses, such as the loss in income due to the mother's time and effort, none of that should be recoverable. If the defendant had lost income during the ordeal, he should be granted standing to sue for damages up to the amount of loss income, no more, no less. But since the defendant was a student, and graduation is not guaranteed until he has passed all his courses, the city can't give him a diploma... There is no other remuneration that would be reasonable.

It is unfortunate but nobody held a gun to the mother's head and told her she had to take time off from work to be with her sun. He could've stayed in jail, he didn't have to be bailed out.

So, he's the victim of being an unemployed person who happened to be mistakenly arrested.

The fact that he is being released shows to me that our system works. Costs incurred outside of legal fees are unfortunate, but they weren't directly caused to him due to the charges brought against him. So, it is sad, but not tragic.

It was literally an unfortunate event precipitated by his poor choices. I feel sympathy for the innocent who stand accused, but that sympathy does not lead me to indict the system that charged him, tried him, and found him innocent. The system apparently works, and I feel proud that it does. Time for this kid to move on with his life and exercise better judgment in the people that he chooses to protest with.


69 posted on 04/15/2005 12:37:27 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: Mulder
Just a note to let you know I am anticipating the enjoyment I will get reading the barbs coming your way.

Talk about open mouth, insert foot!

... Not that I haven't tasted shoe leather before. ;)

109 posted on 04/15/2005 2:39:07 AM PDT by G.Mason (If you are broken ... it is because you are brittle.)
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To: Mulder
Welcome to Amerika.

The only thing more disgusting that what happened to this American is the fact that many so-called "conservatives" will applaud his abuse by "the system"


Conservatives know how to spell America, hippy. And the little turd got what's coming to him.

Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.
113 posted on 04/15/2005 2:52:51 AM PDT by Beckwith (I knew Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't no Indian either . . .)
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To: Mulder

Welcome to Amerika.
The only thing more disgusting that what happened to this American is the fact that many so-called "conservatives" will applaud his abuse by "the system"
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Good call. I agree. Pretend it was a Conservative going to protest a Dem convention. The double standards on here can sometimes be pretty amazing.


145 posted on 04/15/2005 3:21:29 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/foundingoftheunitedstates.htm)
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To: Mulder
Dont know about that? What happened to this kid is a shame, but abuse? he got involved in a mass protest in which many people did things that warrented. A cop made a mistake, they are after all human... On top of this his bail was reduced to 10K (which btw the mother would get back most of this after the trial) so that the mother could bail him out.

If some kid was busted in the LA riots who was just there screaming and shouting (but the officer thought he saw him throw a brick) is that abuse or life??

147 posted on 04/15/2005 5:16:43 PM PDT by N3WBI3
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To: Mulder
The only thing more disgusting that what happened to this American is the fact that many so-called "conservatives" will applaud his abuse by "the system"

You got that right. Doctored evidence, false arrests, cops perjuring themselves, 90+% of the cases dropped. And freepers say no problem cuz them Dems wuz asking for it. FReeping idiots.

149 posted on 04/15/2005 8:43:26 PM PDT by Sandy
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