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To: aMorePerfectUnion

"It is only about accepting God's FREE gift. If you don't want His free gift, you will someday get exactly what you desired - eternity without God, which is hell."

How refreshing those words are. The whole concept of an eternal hell fire and brimstone just doesn't line up with the Scriptures. Yet way too many Christians seem to use it from a "if you don't believe as I do you're going to hell!"
And how many times has "hell" been tried to scare someone into believing in God or His Son Jesus Christ? It just doesn't work that way.

Hell is "sheol" in Hebrew which simply is the place of the dead; 6 feet under.


1,269 posted on 04/23/2005 7:05:31 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (The Good News of the Gospel of Christ really is Good News!)
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To: jwh_Denver

I understand what you are saying, but I think it goes beyond just the grave. While I agree with your thoughts about "the grave", hell is a place without the presence of God and for that reason, a place of torment.

While it is a fact that no one wants to suffer, it is the love of God that reached out to us so that none of us would have to spend eternity without God. Christ died for ALL. He offers salvation to "whoever will come". Motivated by love, He sacrificed while we were in rebellion against Him so that we could enter a loving relationship with him. This is the most inclusive belief I know of.

Even rats leave a sinking ship - they say. Those rats are not changed from the inside out. They don't become anything but wet rats.

In contrast, we have the opportunity to be born into God's family - not just stow away to escape a bad fate.

Anyone who wants nothing to do with God will someday get their wish. That will indeed be hell. It will be freely chosen by them, but they won't like their choice.

People can debate about the scriptural imagery of hell and whether the flames are real or symbolic - and we'd miss the point. It is the absolute lack of the presence of God - of all that's ultimately good. The isolation, despair, loneliness and misery that makes it a place of torment and suffering. Any real flames would pale in comparison to that suffering. So I agree, they shouldn't be the message.

It is the love of God. The sacrifice of God to reconcile us to Him that is the most important thing.

I wish all that love. For all need it desperately. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. From the average guy on the street, to the Pope. And there is nothing we can do through works to go to heaven. It is all grace. The unearned grace of God. A free gift to us that was the most costly ever given. And all we have to do is receive it by faith.

best, ampu


1,277 posted on 04/23/2005 8:10:09 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: jwh_Denver

Hell is "sheol" in Hebrew which simply is the place of the dead; 6 feet under.

*******

AAAWWW....a small breeze of TRUTH!! :)



1,282 posted on 04/23/2005 8:30:02 AM PDT by BriarBey ("He Who Does Not Remember History Is Condemned To Repeat It")
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To: jwh_Denver
The whole concept of an eternal hell fire and brimstone just doesn't line up with the Scriptures.

HUH????

1,292 posted on 04/23/2005 8:57:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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