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Gov Digs in as Foes Attack Pharmacy Rule
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | 4/12/05 | Abdon Pallasch and Dave McKinney

Posted on 04/12/2005 7:41:07 AM PDT by marshmallow

Both sides are preparing for what may turn into a legal battle over Gov. Blagojevich's order that pharmacists dispense contraceptives, even those that some pharmacists say kill embryos.

The Illinois Pharmacists Association asked Blagojevich to rescind his order. State Rep. Ron Stephens, a Downstate pharmacist, said, "I will not abide by it." The conservative Family PAC is urging pharmacists to ignore the order. And Catholic Bishop Thomas Paprocki implored Blagojevich from the pulpit to rescind the order.

The governor is standing firm.

On Monday, he warned Family PAC Director Paul Caprio the state would impose "significant penalties" on any pharmacy that ignores the order.

"In your call to pharmacists urging them to violate the emergency rule I issued, you neglected to remind them of the penalties their employers will face if they deny a woman her right to health care," Blagojevich wrote Caprio. Those penalties range from fines to losing their licenses, Blagojevich said.

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"In your call to pharmacists urging them to violate the emergency rule I issued, you neglected to remind them of the penalties their employers will face if they deny a woman her right to health care," Blagojevich wrote Caprio.

Key words.

Being able to euphemisitically refer to the elimination of an unborn child as "health care" has been key to the success of the culture of death.

Those who dissent will be deprived of their livelihood.

1 posted on 04/12/2005 7:41:07 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

--any other issue aside, I believe the power of governors to issue "executive orders"-other than if martial law has already been declared--should be eliminated--period.


2 posted on 04/12/2005 7:50:10 AM PDT by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: marshmallow

How 'bout the pharmacies not wishing to dispense these drugs simply have the courtesy to advertise themselves as such. No govt regs needed.

Whatever biz they lose in birth control, they'll make up for by attracting folks to whom that would appeal.


3 posted on 04/12/2005 8:14:49 AM PDT by dmz
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To: marshmallow
Those who dissent will be deprived of their livelihood.

Good!

You are a pharmacist, not the local preacher. Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor. Don't like it? Find a new line of work.

4 posted on 04/12/2005 8:27:52 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: marshmallow

tinpot county judges can ignore a Congressional subpoena and federal courts can ignore federal law.....so why can't pharmacists as a matter of conscience ignore some jackass governor ?

5 posted on 04/12/2005 8:30:07 AM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

Sure. Lets have any pharmacist dispence meds only if he "feels" they are the "correct type". You hoof down to the pharmacy on a doctors orders and it would be a hit or miss if you got your meds.

Not the world I want to live in.


6 posted on 04/12/2005 8:33:45 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
Sure. Lets have any pharmacist dispence meds only if he "feels" they are the "correct type".

We let kosher delis sell only kosher food...we let Ford dealers only sell Ford cars...we let every kind of retailer under the sun choose what and what not to sell, based on all kinds of criteria including conscience.

Even doctors have the freedom to decide which surgical procedures they will and won't do, based on conscience. Why must we bind the hands of pharmacists?

If pharmacist A won't dispense a certain drug and pharmacist B will, then pharmacist A has ceded part of the drug market to pharmacist B. If there's enough demand for the drug, pharmacist A will have significantly hurt his or her business over it, and pharmacist B will get a significant boost. If the drug in question is so heinous that neither pharmacist will dispense it, then somewhere there is a pharmacist C who will be more than happy to. There's no reason not to let the free market sort this out.

7 posted on 04/12/2005 8:43:24 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: marshmallow

Governor "Count Chocula" is a liberal ass. Someone tell him the bowl haircut went out after Captain Kangaroo died.


8 posted on 04/12/2005 8:52:30 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor."

This is not a pharmacist's job.

A pharmacist always has the discretion not to dispense a drug.

Doctor's only get a fraction of the pharmacology in medical school that pharmacists get in pharmacy school and often prescribe the wrong drug or drugs which could lead to deadly interactions.

My wife is a pharmacist and has caught many errors that could have killed patients.

You wouldn't want your Viagra interacting with your heart medication would you?


9 posted on 04/12/2005 8:56:21 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: marshmallow
But its kosher to starve an innocent defenseless woman to death! On the other hand, its verboten for pharmacists not to be able to sell medicine that violates the Hippocratic Oath. Our country certainly has its priorities in the right order.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
10 posted on 04/12/2005 9:00:57 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RadioAstronomer

You are a pharmacist, not the local preacher. Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor. Don't like it? Find a new line of work.

Since when is a Governor's order tantamount to a Doctor's Prescription?


11 posted on 04/12/2005 9:03:18 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: RadioAstronomer
You are a pharmacist, not the local preacher.

And you are a customer, not an enforcer of government morality.

Unless I'm a "preacher", I must ignore my conscience and perform my work in a moral vacuum?

No.

Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor.

Ordinarily, yes. Unless I believe the doctor has erred. In which case I won't. If I believe that the dose he's prescribed might kill you-or somebody else- then I won't fill it.

Don't like it? Find a new line of work.

Don't like my business or the service I provide? Find another one.

12 posted on 04/12/2005 9:03:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: RadioAstronomer

"You are a pharmacist, not the local preacher. Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor. Don't like it? Find a new line of work."

Baloney. He is a seller of a product. You think that by executive fiat a private enterprise should be told what they have to sell?

Wrong in two ways:
1-It's not the government's place to force you to sell anything.
2-You think it is constitutional for the executive branch to make law by signing an order?

BTW, there is nothing in the constitution that makes anything and/or everything related to health care a "right".

Get a clue here. Think slippery slope.


13 posted on 04/12/2005 9:13:11 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's.....you weren't really there.)
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To: MikeWUSAF
You wouldn't want your Viagra interacting with your heart medication would you?

I wouldn't know since I take neither, however, thanks for the tip. It's nice to be able to talk to people who have had these experiences. Why I love FR. Thanks again. Hope your heart prob is not serious!

14 posted on 04/12/2005 12:14:29 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: marshmallow
Unless I believe the doctor has erred. In which case I won't. If I believe that the dose he's prescribed might kill you-or somebody else- then I won't fill it.

This I agree with completely.

15 posted on 04/12/2005 12:15:49 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: kingattax

"Civil Disobedience" Henry David Thoreau...what did I read from a freeper on a different thread....STOP abortion and SAVE little Democrats


16 posted on 04/12/2005 12:19:27 PM PDT by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
Since when is a Governor's order tantamount to a Doctor's Prescription?

Since when does a pharmacist have the obligation to refuse a legit Doctor's prescrip? (other than a mistake)

Guess if the pharmacist did not believe in antibiotics, he/she could refuse to sell those as well.

17 posted on 04/12/2005 12:23:33 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer
You are a pharmacist, not the local preacher. Your job is to dispense medicines as prescribed by a doctor. Don't like it? Find a new line of work.

You are a prison guard, working at Auschwitz during WWII. Your job is to make sure the prisoners arrive on time for their final appointment. Don't like it?

Find a different argument.

18 posted on 04/12/2005 12:25:57 PM PDT by MortMan (Quiet reflection does not involve a mirror.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

"Good"

As an operating room nurse, I have had the option for years NOT to be involved in abortions. I think people have a right to act according to their conscience. If government forces people into this, what will be the next step?


19 posted on 04/12/2005 12:27:42 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: MortMan

Ah the Nazi argument. Pure Codswallop.


20 posted on 04/12/2005 12:30:35 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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