[American in Israel]

The fence is virtually worthless. It was built to demark a line of surrender for the Jews to the Arab League. Fences do not stop mortars, or ladders.

Jerusalem has no fence and the bombing has stopped there too. Fences that are not built do not stop terrorists. If the places that have no fences also see no terrorists, then it is ludicrous to say the fences are stopping terrorists where they are built because there have been no attacks there.

Terrorism has stopped because the IDF has been going into the vipers nest to pull their fangs. When the surrender is complete and the IDF are no longer allowed to pull fangs because the fence becomes a state line, then we will find out how good the fence is, or is not.

I think the fence is going to cause massive terrorism when it if finally completed, physically and politically. It will also cause one hell of a war.

[Jumper]

No, you are quite wrong that a "fence" could cause a war. Islam in the hands of the undemocratic leaders and the hatred they spew to keep the people more preoccupied with Jew-Hating than their squalor vs. the grandure in which this leaders live.

When (more likely, if) there is a war from the Gaza or West Bank, it will be from the legimate State equal to Israel. And it will be a result of a failed State refusing to rein in the terror from its terror-itroy and therefore subject to the remdey of War between countreis, e.g., the rule of land warfare will be between two states and not some people without a State.

Iran and Syria will probably fall to democracy movements by the end of summer, or in conjunction with American military intervention. Lebannon and Syria, without Iranian terrorist support will cease to cause problems to Israel, as will this extend to the Pali's. Syria has the immediate choice; Iran not too distant a choice.

The question is not whether Bush was right on the Middle East, but rather Bush IS right and he will continue to force peace down the throat of militant Isam, and by extension destroy Chiraq in France as his French economy is more dependent than ever on Iran, Syria and the trade (Iraq no longer has much to do with their once major trading partner France). The question of the Old Europe, then will be settled in time for the Fall elections! Schroeder and Chiraq will be economically bankrupted at the polls and hopefully voted out of office - and then the real peace process will begin without anti-American EU BS.

[Marguerite]

Other Benefits The Green Line is crossed by numerous dirt roads and it is impossible to patrol it. Many Palestinians take advantage of these roads to come to work illegally in Israel or to get between parts of the Palestinian administered territories to avoid checkpoints. Some also cross to carry out terror operations and theft. Since 1994, Palestinians, sometimes in cooperation with Israeli middlemen, have stolen thousands of automobiles as well as farm machinery and animals http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/fence.html

[gobucks]

"I think the fence is going to cause massive terrorism when it if finally completed, physically and politically. It will also cause one hell of a war."

A cold voice of reason about this 'fence' at last. Decapacitation I think was the program that did the trick in the short term to help cause this dry up of terrorism acitivity.

But this fence, this 'barrier' ... bad, bad idea. Setting an example to the world that building a fence around your own, what, reservation?, to 'keep out' the bad guys? Right ....

It is a lot more like taking your big toe and drawing a line on the beach and telling your brother 'dare ya to cross it'!

No, I think remote controlled hellfire missles and helicopters are making the difference....(and a willingness not to worry about the world's reaction to an old man being shot out of his wheelchair; there is a blind guy we put away forever right here in the USA, and we are not too worried about it ....)