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Victor Davis Hanson: Move the U.N.?
Jewish World Review ^ | 4-5-05 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/07/2005 5:30:32 AM PDT by SJackson

Americans grew up with kind feelings toward the United Nations. Many remain nostalgic about their childhood UNESCO Halloween buckets and UNICEF Christmas cards. Such goodwill explains why we host the organization and cover a quarter of its operating budget.

The U.N. arose out of the ashes of World War II and was the dream of Western idealists who sought to enact liberal notions of human rights and jurisprudence on a global scale.

Only a humane transnational body, it was felt, could avoid a repeat of the 50 million lives lost in World War II. A Security Council of great powers was to add muscle to resolutions — avoiding the irrelevance of the defunct League of Nations, which had proved impotent in the face of fascist aggression. And this time, the world body would be located right smack in Manhattan, symbolizing the American commitment to world arbitration in lieu of our prior isolationism.

Well, here we are in 2005 with nearly 60 years of the U.N. — and more people have been lost in wars since 1945 than during World War II itself. Americans now distrust the U.N.'s record as much as they might applaud its idealism in theory. Why?

(Excerpt) Read more at jewishworldreview.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: un; vdh; victordavishanson

1 posted on 04/07/2005 5:30:32 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; dennisw; monkeyshine; Alouette; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

2 posted on 04/07/2005 5:39:38 AM PDT by Tolik
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To: SJackson

best reason to move UN out of NYC is that, if the MSM doesn't cover it, it isn't happening, doesn't exist, isn't relevant. NYC is home to all the major media.

One has only to look at the recent coverage of and response to the Terri Schiavo case. Otherwise reasonable people were attacking Jeb Bush for what he didn't do while they were paying attention because of the media coverage. No notice of all he'd done before the media horde descended on her hospice.

OR, why aren't more folks paying attention to the election challenge in WA state? Because the MSM hasn't deigned to cover it.

Take away the MSM and the UN will fall of its own weight.


3 posted on 04/07/2005 5:50:15 AM PDT by EDINVA (i)
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To: SJackson

It would have to be cheaper to build a whole new UN headquarters somewhere else than to refurbish that dung-heap their currently occupying. What are property prices in Congo or Zimbabwe like?


4 posted on 04/07/2005 5:52:22 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SJackson

Keep your friends close...and your enemies closer.

Something to think about.


5 posted on 04/07/2005 6:04:48 AM PDT by rightinthemiddle (Free Speech is a Right. Being Wrong is Just...Wrong.)
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To: SJackson

Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.


6 posted on 04/07/2005 6:10:49 AM PDT by NeilGus
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To: SJackson
Ping

The best article on what should be done with the U.N. I have ever read.

7 posted on 04/07/2005 6:22:17 AM PDT by magellan ( by)
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To: SJackson
Why not insist upon a democratic constitution as a prerequisite for a nation to qualify for U.N. membership?

This is a silly suggestion, unworthy of VDH.

What are the criteria for "democratic"? Zimbabwe just had an election. Is it when Jimmy Carter shows up and blesses the ballot boxes like he did in Venezuela?

It's unenforceable. Hell, given the gubernatorial election in Washington or denial of half our military ballots, do we qualify?

8 posted on 04/07/2005 6:28:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are REALLY stupid.)
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To: NeilGus
Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.

You took the words right out of my mouth.

9 posted on 04/07/2005 6:32:29 AM PDT by white trash redneck (Everything I needed to know about Islam I learned on 9-11-01.)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Keep your friends close...and your enemies closer.

Ahhh, great point my friend, great point...

10 posted on 04/07/2005 7:19:11 AM PDT by Paradox (Occam was probably right.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I think we should relocate the UN on Sumatra.

The diplomats are a pain to our law enforcement efforts, just like our politicians.


11 posted on 04/07/2005 7:30:05 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberals believe in their good; a good that is void of honesty and character)
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To: SJackson

BTTT


12 posted on 04/07/2005 8:04:14 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping, Tolik.

Great article, as usual, from VDH.


13 posted on 04/07/2005 8:04:55 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: rightinthemiddle
Maybe the UN should move to Montreal.

They would be close enough to watch over and it would free up the NY site for some really gorgeous condos.

14 posted on 04/07/2005 9:36:24 AM PDT by concrete is my business (lay a solid foundation)
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To: concrete is my business
Toronto has offered to build an HQ for the UN in that city, so maybe that will happen someday. Unfortunately, that would make the UN even closer to me than they are now, but at least they would be out of the country.
15 posted on 04/07/2005 10:12:44 AM PDT by Major Matt Mason (Juggling the Flaming Globes of Zigmund)
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To: SJackson

from the korean war when the united nations insiders were providing inside american military intelligence and operations to the chicoms,

the u.n. should have been moved out.


16 posted on 04/07/2005 10:14:41 AM PDT by ken21 ( people die + then you don't hear from them again. /s)
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To: SJackson
RIGHT ON!....(or should I say...Move on...outta here!)

Good article. Too bad they will have to be dragged...kicking and screaming from the "GOOD LIFE" that they're used to. Time to kick them out into reality...in the heart of where they should be doing their jobs from. We can tell them..."it's on-the-job-training"!

Personally, I feel they should be disbanded altogether. They've done nothing, and lives have actually been lost due to their so-called "efforts". The U.N. should be called "United Nothings".

17 posted on 04/07/2005 10:32:20 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: CHARLITE

The Nation needs to dismantle it. Our National Sovereignty depends upon it. Same deal with WTO, etc.

We have the military power, just need the civs. to get in line and back up the country, for once. For once.

I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the U.S., can they? ....


18 posted on 04/07/2005 10:39:26 PM PDT by Bald Eagle777 (...Charles LaBella Memo? Let the Dems run from this one...)
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To: ken21
Note this featured article from today's WSJ opinionjournal.com. It's a fine editorial.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110006525,br>

Title and excerpt:
Bolton, Sudan and the U.N.
Turtle Bay needs "an ambassador to the U.S."

Thursday, April 7, 2005 12:01 a.m. EDT

"John Bolton's confirmation as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations can't come soon enough. At the very least, his well-known candor would shed welcome light on the reality that this is an institution where the French and others come together to score political points against the U.S.

The latest example is the Security Council's resolution late last week to refer Sudanese war-crime suspects to the International Criminal Court. The ICC is anathema to the Bush Administration, which is understandably not enthralled with the prospect of American citizens coming under the jurisdiction of a world court brought to you by the same institution that sponsored the Oil for Food program. In opting not to veto the resolution, but rather to abstain, the U.S. swallowed its objections to the ICC for a greater good: the chance to hold someone to account for the mass murder in Darfur and to perhaps prevent more people from dying there."

19 posted on 04/07/2005 10:42:50 PM PDT by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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