Pope John Paul II is *NOT* Dead (FOX Now reporting Heart/Brain still functioning)

April 1, 2005

[Dont Mention the War]

Confirmed.

[Fitzcarraldo]

Just my understanding that the Pope himself requested that people not pray for him to linger when it was his time to go.

There is always that doubt, or seed of a miracle of which we can never be certain to which we must cling. That is why the Pope was such a champion of God-given life. I hold out hope to the end and even beyond. The Lord Jesus is the King of the Universe and hence has the final say in this matter.

[rwfromkansas]

North America only has 14?

[donbosco74]

My comment was explained sufficiently by HETA in #942

[myrabach]

I am there with you... I never understood the hatred of either Catholics or Jews. I grew up in the Methodist church. In high school my 2 best friends were each a Catholic and a Jew.

I got a visit from my minister one afternoon who told me in no uncertain terms that I must give up my friendships and only fellowship with other Methodists. I never quite grasped that concept, so I never went back to the Methodist church.

Now I'm a born-again evangelical and I still love my Jewish and Catholic friends. I've even added more to my list. I also love my Methodist friends.

My heart is heavy with the illness and potential loss of Pope John Paul II. I always held him in high regard. He had some major struggles within the church and by his actions, I knew he always consulted the Lord for guidance and answers.

My heartfelt sympathies to all of you who mourn.

[tiredoflaundry]

14 under 80yrs. old

[AmericanInTokyo]

You want charts? OK. We got chart! Here you go again.....

[sfimom]

Perhaps this person is being led to pray because although his time is near it isn't quite here yet?

[BigEdLB]

Cardinal Elector. D O B . Nationality
AGNELO Geraldo Majella . 19-Oct-33 . Brazil
AGRÉ Bernard . 02-Mar-26 . Ivory Coast
ÁLVAREZ MARTÍNEZ Francisco . 14-Jul-25 . Spain
AMBROZIC Aloysius Matthew . 27-Jan-30 . Canada
AMIGO VALLEJO Carlos, O.F.M. . 23-Aug-34 . Spain
ANTONELLI Ennio . 18-Nov-36 . Italy
ARINZE Francis . 01-Nov-32 . Nigeria
BACHKIS Audrys Juozas . 01-Feb-37 . Lithuania
BARBARIN Philippe . 17-Oct-50 . France
BAUM William Wakefield . 21-Nov-26 . U.S.A.
BERGOGLIO Jorge Mario, S.I. . 12-Dec-36 . Argentina
BERTONE Tarcisio, S.D.B. . 01-Dec-34 . Italy
BIFFI Giacomo . 13-Jun-28 . Italy
BOZANICH Josip . 20-Mar-49 . Croatia
CACCIAVILLAN Agostino . 14-Aug-26 . Italy
CARLES GORDÓ Ricardo María . 24-Sep-26 . Spain
CASTRILLÓN HOYOS Darío . 04-Jul-29 . Colombia
CÉ Marco . 08-Jul-25 . Italy
CIPRIANI THORNE Juan Luis . 28-Dec-43 . Peru
CONNELL Desmond . 24-Mar-26 . Ireland
da CRUZ POLICARPO José . 26-Feb-36 . Portugal
DANNEELS Godfried . 04-Jun-33 . Belgium
DAOUD Ignace Moussa I . 18-Sep-30 . Syria
DARMAATMADJA Julius Riyadi, S.I. . 20-Dec-34 . Indonesia
DE GIORGI Salvatore . 06-Sep-30 . Italy
DIAS Ivan . 14-Apr-36 . India
EGAN Edward Michael . 02-Apr-32 . U.S.A.
ERDO Péter . 25-Jun-52 . Hungary
ERRÁZURIZ OSSA Francisco Javier, dei P. di Schönstatt . 05-Sep-33 . Chile
ETSOU-NZABI-BAMUNGWABI Frédéric, C.I.C.M. . 03-Dec-30 . Democratic Republic of Congo
FALCÃO FREIRE José . 23-Oct-25 . Brazil
GEORGE Francis Eugene, O.M.I. . 16-Jan-37 . U.S.A.
GIORDANO Michele . 26-Sep-30 . Italy
GLEMP Józef . 18-Dec-29 . Poland
GROCHOLEWSKI Zenon . 11-Oct-39 . Poland
HAMAO Stephen Fumio . 09-Mar-30 . Japan
HERRANZ Julián . 31-Mar-30 . Spain
HUMMES Cláudio, O.F.M. . 08-Aug-34 . Brazil
HUSAR Lubomyr, M.S.U. . 26-Feb-33 . Ukraine
JAWORSKI Marian . 21-Aug-26 . Ukraine
KASPER Walter . 05-Mar-33 . Germany
KEELER William Henry . 04-Mar-31 . U.S.A.
KITBUNCHU Michael Michai . 25-Jan-29 . Thailand
LAW Bernard Francis . 04-Nov-31 . U.S.A.
LEHMANN Karl . 16-May-36 . Germany
LÓPEZ RODRÍGUEZ Nicolás de Jesús . 31-Oct-36 . Dominican Republic
LÓPEZ TRUJILLO Alfonso . 08-Nov-35 . Colombia
LOZANO BARRAGÁN Javier . 26-Jan-33 . Mexico
LUSTIGER Jean-Marie . 17-Sep-26 . France
MACHARSKI Franciszek . 20-May-27 . Poland
MAHONY Roger Michael . 27-Feb-36 . U.S.A.
MAIDA Adam Joseph . 18-Mar-30 . U.S.A.
MARCHISANO Francesco . 25-Jun-29 . Italy
MARTÍNEZ SOMALO Eduardo . 31-Mar-27 . Spain
MARTINI Carlo Maria, S.I. . 15-Feb-27 . Italy
MARTINO Renato Raffaele . 23-Nov-32 . Italy
McCARRICK Theodore Edgar . 07-Jul-30 . U.S.A.
MEDINA ESTÉVEZ Jorge Arturo . 23-Dec-26 . Chile
MEISNER Joachim . 25-Dec-33 . Germany
MURPHY-O’CONNOR Cormac . 24-Aug-32 . Great Britain
NAPIER Wilfrid Fox, O.F.M. . 08-Mar-41 . South Africa
NICORA Attilio . 16-Mar-37 . Italy
O’BRIEN Keith Michael Patrick . 17-Mar-38 . Great Britain
OBANDO BRAVO Miguel, S.D.B. . 02-Feb-26 . Nicaragua
OKOGIE Anthony Olubunmi . 16-Jun-36 . Nigeria
ORTEGA Y ALAMINO Jaime Lucas . 18-Oct-36 . Cuba
OUELLET Marc, P.S.S. . 08-Jun-44 . Canada
PANAFIEU Bernard . 26-Jan-31 . France
PASKAI László, O.F.M. . 08-May-27 . Hungary
PELL George . 08-Jun-41 . Australia
PENGO Polycarp . 05-Aug-44 . Tanzania
PHAM MINH MÂN Jean-Baptiste . 01-Jan-34 . Viêt Nam
POLETTO Severino . 18-Mar-33 . Italy
POMPEDDA Mario Francesco . 18-Apr-29 . Italy
POUPARD Paul . 30-Aug-30 . France
PUJATS Janis . 14-Nov-30 . Latvia
PULJICH Vinko . 08-Sep-45 . Bosnia-Herzegovina
QUEZADA TORUÑO Rodolfo . 08-Mar-32 . Guatemala
RATZINGER Joseph . 16-Apr-27 . Germany
RAZAFINDRATANDRA Armand Gaétan . 07-Aug-25 . Madagascar
RE Giovanni Battista . 30-Jan-34 . Italy
RIGALI Justin Francis . 19-Apr-35 . U.S.A.
RIVERA CARRERA Norberto . 06-Jun-42 . Mexico
RODRÍGUEZ MARADIAGA Oscar Andrés, S.D.B. . 29-Dec-42 . Honduras
ROUCO VARELA Antonio María . 24-Aug-36 . Spain
RUBIANO SÁENZ Pedro . 13-Sep-32 . Colombia
RUINI Camillo . 19-Feb-31 . Italy
SANDOVAL ÍÑIGUEZ Juan . 28-Mar-33 . Mexico
SARAIVA MARTINS José, C.M.F. . 06-Jan-32 . Portugal
SCHEID Eusébio Oscar, S.C.I. . 08-Dec-32 . Brazil
SCHÖNBORN Christoph, O.P. . 22-Jan-45 . Austria
SCHWERY Henri . 14-Jun-32 . Switzerland
SCOLA Angelo . 07-Nov-41 . Italy
SEBASTIANI Sergio . 11-Apr-31 . Italy
SEPE Crescenzio . 02-Jun-43 . Italy
SHIRAYANAGI Peter Seiichi . 17-Jun-28 . Japan
SIMONIS Adrianus Johannes . 26-Nov-31 . PaesiBassi
SIN Jaime L. . 31-Aug-28 . Philippines
SODANO Angelo . 23-Nov-27 . Italy
STAFFORD James Francis . 26-Jul-32 . U.S.A.
STERZINSKY Georg Maximilian . 09-Feb-36 . Germany
SUÁREZ RIVERA Adolfo Antonio . 09-Jan-27 . Mexico
SZOKA Edmund Casimir . 14-Sep-27 . U.S.A.
TAURAN Jean-Louis . 05-Apr-43 . France
TERRAZAS SANDOVAL Julio, C.SS.R. . 07-Mar-36 . Bolivia
TETTAMANZI Dionigi . 14-Mar-34 . Italy
TOPPO Telesphore Placidus . 15-Oct-39 . India
TUMI Christian Wiyghan . 15-Oct-30 . Cameroun
TURCOTTE Jean-Claude . 26-Jun-36 . Canada
TURKSON Peter Kodwo Appiah . 11-Oct-48 . Ghana
VIDAL Ricardo J. . 06-Feb-31 . Philippines
VITHAYATHIL Varkey, C.SS.R. . 29-May-27 . India
VLK Miloslav . 17-May-32 . Czech Republic
WAMALA Emmanuel . 15-Dec-26 . Uganda
WETTER Friedrich . 20-Feb-28 . Germany
WILLIAMS Thomas Stafford . 20-Mar-30 . New Zealand
ZUBEIR WAKO Gabriel . 27-Feb-41 . Sudan

[tiredoflaundry]

lol. thxs. :-)

[Fiat volvntas tva]

I've had a lot of experience with witnessing to and practicing apologetics with Roman Catholics, and one thing that has to be done is to get pass the language and terminology barrier.

As Protestants, we use terms that are similar by carry different meanings, as in the case of "praying to saints". When a RC says they are "praying", they don't mean they are offering prayer as we think of prayer, being the sweet aroma of incense wafting up to our God but to them a prayer to a saint or Mary is a means of communication to ask for intercession. Personally, I believe the practice is heterodox and has no legitimate Biblical foundation, however, it is a side issue and not one of an essential nature to salvation. Having said that, Roman Catholic soteriology(method of salvation) is an essential issue, and is one that in discussion I generally hold to. All others are side issues.

To learn more about the differences in RC soteriology and biblical salvation, try studying at the following site:

www.monergism.com

God bless.

[ndkos]

The Catholic Church does not teach that all Protestants are going to Hell. It does teach that Protestants who know the Catholic Church is the true Church and are seperated from the Church at the time of death will not be saved from Hell.

[AmericanInTokyo]

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Religion never played a part in how I chose my friends either. I wouldn't have cared if the worshipped a turnip. It wasn't a big deal.

My heart is heavy with the illness and potential loss of Pope John Paul II. I always held him in high regard. He had some major struggles within the church and by his actions, I knew he always consulted the Lord for guidance and answers.

Amen.

[sfimom]

I appreciate your reply. However you seem to be making the assumption that I am protestant. I am not. Nor am I catholic. I am a Christion. No more. No less.

[Hand em their arse]

Obviously I wasn't the only one who saw it that way.... My intent was not to be "name-calling" however, I see that I did come across that way, and for that I apologize. It hit me the wrong way when I initially read your original post about "it not being seemly for the Pope to die on April Fool Day" and when I saw it a second time, I commented..... Please accept my apology, it is obviously a tough time for many....

Dave

[Quix]

Conceivable. As I read the situation, I much do not think that is the case.

[Fiat volvntas tva]

Please excuse my last post. I meant for that to be sent by freepmail, and not on this thread. In my clumsiness I clicked the wrong button and would not intend to start any doctrinal discussion on a thread not purposed for such.

My sincerest apologies to all.

[proud_2_B_texasgal]

I am a Christion. No more. No less.

Yup. Should be enough, huh?

[Windcatcher]

Interesting that there is so little (none?) talk of Orthodox Christians. I was baptized Greek Orthodox and raised RC, so forgive me if I look askance at all this rancor between RC and Prot. Let's please calm down, people.

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I'm sorry I got snippy. It may have been a thoughtless thing for me to have said. I'm sorry if it offended anyone. I did not mean it too.