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To: combat_boots

YOU ALL ARE SEVERELY LACKING IN A CIVICS LESSON ON "CONSTITUTIONALITY"!


51 posted on 03/25/2005 8:10:47 PM PST by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: acapesket

Actually it would be an interesting constitutional question as it pertains to Florida's constitution. I have to admit ignorance to Florida's constitution but the case for this issue on a national level has flip flopped several times in the history of this nation of states, in that the executive has ignored the judiciary and the judiciary has overridden the executive. But I don't think I've ever heard of it happen at the internal state level. It would be those forces following the will of Florida's state judicial system versus Florida's executive branch. It seems currently the executive branch is not willing to supersede the judicial branch's ruling but it would have been a historical event and something to see


368 posted on 03/25/2005 9:06:17 PM PST by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: acapesket

>>>YOU ALL ARE SEVERELY LACKING IN A CIVICS LESSON ON "CONSTITUTIONALITY"!<<<<

Actually no. The Judiciary originally had no power and only the Executive Branch would at times grant them power. Basically, it was a pressure valve. If the Exec didn't like the decision, then he could refuse to honor it.

It wasn't until Mulberry v. Madison that this changed. All of a sudden the Judiciary had power, that was never intended or declared in the Constitution.

Proof that at times the Exec Branch can tell the Judiciary to go F- themselves is in Andrew Jackson's comment after being held in contempt, "They made their decision, let them enforce it."

Also, recently (50 years ago) John Wisdom tried to hold the Exec branch in contempt, but the Governor told him to kiss off. Nothing happened. Because the Exec Branch and all its sub-departments are free from Judicial rule if they choose to ignore it.

http://www.nationalist.org/alt/1999/may/courts.html



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573 posted on 03/25/2005 9:49:45 PM PST by timburton
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To: acapesket

"CONSTITUTIONALITY"!

My point in saying "so" was that this is actually a constitutional crisis, among other things that are not so small. Consider that both the Executive and Legislative have run to the Judiciary like children, when both have given their own express and legal orders to their agencies or the judiciary. In my mind, when those who make decisions can decide on not only what is and what is not fact, whether to hear a request from a Governor or not, refuse or set aside testimony or verdicts, ignore basic principles of "life, liberty" and guaranteed rights to an individual, and do this from the comfort of what is either a virtual or in fact lifelong appointment, these people are not judges. They are royalty.

I will never look at the law, its officers or representatives, or its spokespeople as anything more than despots ever again.


1,309 posted on 03/26/2005 6:06:01 AM PST by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch.)
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To: acapesket

WHERE DOES IT SAY IN ANY U.S. CONSTITUTION DOCUMENT THAT IT IS LEGAL FOR A JUDGE TO ORDER THE MURDER OF A KNOWN INNOCENT PERSON?


1,478 posted on 03/26/2005 4:33:40 PM PST by GOPologist
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