Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
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Tellya what, let's let the mods be the judge.
Mod: You have FReepMail.
Yeah his wife divorced him after he had an affair(smart move), his son went gay, two of his daughters have three illegitimate kids. Seems like Randy should have stuck around home a bit more and took care of business there.
I too have heard some horror stories, and I don't doubt that some of them are true. I can only speak from my knowledge and experience with the laws and practice in this state. While I do see some decisions made that I don't agree with, the vast majority of children who are taken from parents are suffering genuine abuse or severe neglect. My best guess would be that 60-75% of them are either being sexually abused by a parent or a live-in, or are at the mercy of meth addicts and producers, or both.
Standard protocol is regular visitation, usually at a neutral location, even with a sex perp parent, unless it is determined to have a traumatic effect on the child to have such contact. These visits must commence within a week of the child(ren) being taken, and usually much sooner, barring extenuating circumstances. There is a one year window that these parents have to comply with certain requirements (minimal and obvious to those of us who DO take care of and protect our children), or risk losing their rights permanently. During that time, parents are, or at least should be, encouraged and supported in doing whatever it takes to get their children back.
Contrary to popular belief, DCFS is NOT out trolling for children. If you had any idea what a demand of time, work and resources every single foster child is, and the desperate lack of resources available to meet the needs of those children, you would realize that. I'm not saying that you made that claim, but many do. Keep in mind also, that many of the stories you hear are coming from only one perspective, and are often lacking all the facts.
Do you really think the same hero's who arrested and handcuffed children were going to resist aremd agents?
I agree with that comparison. It's very, very troubling to me.
Jeb Bush can now never be President. He simply does not have the strength of will to confront America's enemies. A man who backs down from a county judge would be completely out of his element dealing with Chinese, Al Qaeda, or even the EU.
For the most part ordinary people aren't going to undertake serious acts of violence when their kids are present. On the other hand, there's a continuing history of this sort of stuff on the part of cops, whether it's a cop shooting a kid in the back in Cincinnati, or a sheriff blowing away a kid in Ruby Ridge.
Until the Pinellas Park cops can show that they are to be trusted they should be disarmed. No doubt they have little experience with crowds of this nature.
Unless you're willing to condemn Fulbright as well, some of us are going to think you're a covert Souvrn' Sympathizer.
BTW, after you get to Fulbright, you have to tag his other running dog lackeys like Bill Clinton.
That's a pretty strong generalization of policemen and I'm not letting it go unchallenged. We had almost 100 cops killed here on 9/11 who could have easily taken themselves out of the area of harm; instead they saved lives and lost their own.
Mistakes have been made, especially when the volume gets turned up and the adrenaline and fear is pumping, by cops in all states, but for the most part they are trying to protect innocent people from the scum of the earth.
I got enough of police-hatred from my years on the left; where they were always privately referred to as pigs and storm troopers. Please, let's not make this about bashing the police; their job is hard enough.
You don't have to hate cops to encourage them to face unarmed, peaceful crowds without firearms.
We are not the state's slaves that we should be dealt with that way.
BTW, regarding any police who lost their lives on 9/11, in not one single case were their guns of any use.
I know most of the people at the Pinellas hospice are peaceful, loving, Christians who are trying to save Terri. But it only takes one person whose emotions take over for things to get ugly. And that one person is usually not the policeman, but a civilian. I don't believe the police are happy to be there; I am sure the last thing they would want to do is hurt any of the people there. But you really cannot expect the police to put down their weapons in a large crowd situation where emotions and tempers could very easily boil over. Maybe I've lived in NY too long, they'd never disarm here when there are angry crowds, and even armed they were attacked during the Republican Convention, where one policeman (armed) was even stomped upon and kicked, but still he did not draw his gun.
The police are not the enemy here--Michael is the one who made the decision to kill Terri.
I am sure the policemen who are there are very aware that they have to be very very careful in this situation.
BTW, regarding any police who lost their lives on 9/11, in not one single case were their guns of any use.
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Rather disingenous, since that wasn't my point in mentioning their deaths. I never insinuated their guns would have helped them on 9/11. My point was their incredible bravery and heroism, which I won't have sullied by a generalization of police officers as trigger happy louts.
Tell me more about that "kid" in Cincinnati. Was he peacefully protesting? And was it a "sheriff" that killed a kid at Ruby Ridge?
I only used examples of well-known trigger happy louts. I didn't imply that all cops were that way, but we really don't know about this Pinellas Park gang.
In any case, you had armed law officers whose stupidity resulted in their killing a kid.
Randy Weaver won a multi-million dollar award for this particular killing.
The guy in Cincinnati shot an unarmed kid who was doing nothing but fleeing. Days of rioting ensued.
Just because somebody runs is no reason to shoot them.
That's why I questioned the wisdom of the Pinellas cops taking guns to the hospice demonstration area. Unless they intended shooting down unarmed people there with their children, they really didn't have any need for them did they?
I didn't imply that all cops were that way,
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I am glad that you agree that all cops are not that way, you might need one someday to save your life. I hope to God you show a little more respect for them then. As for the rest of your statement, I choose not to respond except to say that when LE are shot at or threatened, you cannot be surprised if they shoot back or otherwise defend themselves; which is what happened at Ruby Ridge and in Cincinnati.
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