Posted on 03/25/2005 7:55:28 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
Hours after a judge ordered that Terri Schiavo was not to be removed from her hospice, a team of state agents were en route to seize her and have her feeding tube reinserted -- but they stopped short when local police told them they would enforce the judge's order, The Herald has learned.
Agents of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement told police in Pinellas Park, the small town where Schiavo lies at Hospice Woodside, on Thursday that they were on the way to take her to a hospital to resume her feeding.
For a brief period, local police, who have officers at the hospice to keep protesters out, prepared for what sources called ``a showdown.''
In the end, the squad from the FDLE and the Department of Children & Families backed down, apparently concerned about confronting local police outside the hospice.
''We told them that unless they had the judge with them when they came, they were not going to get in,'' said a source with the local police.
''The FDLE called to say they were en route to the scene,'' said an official with the city police who requested anonymity. ``When the sheriff's department and our department told them they could not enforce their order, they backed off.''
The incident,known only to a few and related to The Herald by three different sources involved in Thursday's events, underscores the intense emotion and murky legal terrain that the Schiavo case has created. It also shows that agencies answering directly to Gov. Jeb Bush had planned to use a wrinkle in Florida law that would have allowed them to legally get around the judge's order. The exception in the law allows public agencies to freeze a judge's order whenever an agency appeals it.
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"Well unfortunately that will not work for two reasons."
Where do you get the idea you are suppose to change things? YOu are only accountable for your own actions or lack there of.
I am sorry I thought you suggested a method of change.
!!! "one woman" = all or any of us.
regarding#1:this whole case is about what the family knows.
And even in writing, wills are one of the oldest field in law and have generated centuries worth of litigation. Best bet, make sure no court can order the execution of helpless "persons" by excruciatingly painful starvation and dehydration.
Are you a "person"?
I do not like things the way they are either, however, I know that I am not going to change things that are to be. I can stand against, speak out, and plant seeds of TRUTH, beyond that I also know Who it is that does the calling.
Well then we are agreed, these are evil times and we are helpless, which is why I suggested drinking heavily. And yes His is comming, probably not in my life time as much has yet to happen.
I don't live in Florida so I can't even claim to know enough about Jeb Bush to speculate about what he might have been thinking, but I will tell you what I would have been thinking: "Are you ready to ask a state police officer to GIVE HIS LIFE or TAKE THE LIFE of another officer in this situation?"
Take Terri Schiavo out of the equation, and this is a huge disaster that can change the fabric of our government.
In November 2000, we learned that Florida is a pretty lawless place when it wants to be. If it were up to the courts there, they would have done what was done in Washington state this past winter, and recounted votes until the Democrat won. The only thing that stopped them from making Al Gore the President is the SCOTUS. Well, the Supremes are MIA in the Schiavo situation. Jeb is out there by his lonesome.
In a worst-case scenario, if bullets started flying in a hospice on Jeb's order, the Schiavo tragedy would be a footnote to a legendary American political scandal, the first such one of the twenty-first century. Forget Felos' invoking the name of George Wallace when talking about Jeb Bush; we're talking Kent State, Little Rock, Selma-like proportions, Nick. And images on video and film that scream "someone went off half-cocked and let this happen" forever. Every Republican who supported Jeb's attempts leading up to a bloody intrastate police incident would be ruined. The Democrats would have beatified anyone injured or killed. 'The GOP wanted to save the life of a brain-damaged woman, and ended up killing (fill in the blank).' Imagine that. It might have destroyed the party. Think about it.
To answer your question, NO, it's not OK. You are right about this being a disaster, but sending cops to point guns at other cops would have made things worse. There is a time to address these weighty issues and this is NOT that moment. Good generals don't plan Pyrrhic victories.
One of the cops would cap Terri with his service weapon.
I'd always thought that when you put a cop on the street WITH A GUN that this is exactly what you were doing.
Obviously the danger level of everyone involved in this can be substantially reduced by simply disarming the Pinellas police (and jailing the mayor of that hapless town until this is over).
Part of it is the Elian thing, and then there are the children Janet Reno held guns on at Waco ~ bad form that ~ and here is the mayor of Pinellas doing the same thing, and if he thinks you can aim your guns at children and NOT do anything, he forgets Ruby Ridge where the very first victim (after the family dog) was the little boy.
It's absolutely amazing how people can continue to get themselves caught up in doing the same things over and over that have been demonstrated to be totally insane in the recent past.
Since "they" don't do that, this is pretty serious stuff.
"....if bullets started flying in a hospice on Jeb's order..."
There's no assurance they'd even get in. One of the FReepers who has been on site posted that there are snipers on buildings adjacent to the hospice.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1370368/posts?page=2555#2555
The thing that is truly amazing in this is that the judiciary has more control over the police forces of the state than the executive branch itself, or even existing state law.
So not only are the judges little dictators, but they control the enforcement powers.
You mean the entire country wins one. We remain a country of laws and not men. Seventy-five percent of the country is with the Pinellas cops who do their duty. Thank you Randall Terry for showing how peaceful some of you kooks are.
You have Pinellas cops out there holding guns to the heads of children and you are telling me that's lawful process?
Not a single demonstrator has engaged in a single act of violence, yet the fascists are responding as though they are the ones under siege.
Yes I suppose it does. You guys along with Jeb Bush remind me of Hitler sending out his brownshirts after the Reichtstagg was burned to get the dirty rotten scoundrel commies they falsely blamed the fire on. Local police stood by and did nothing while Hitlers militia killed and arrested those in its way to power. Glorious tradition you want to follow. Thank God for the Pinellas cops.
Well, then what do you think he would have done?
Again you guys show your ignorance. Funding is set by Florida legislature, not the Governor.
This from the state that ley John Couey run around free.
He would not have. Reagan, who I may fault for some expansion of the national government and not following through on a promise to get rid of the Dept of Education, respected the ideal of federalism. I believe he would have stated his consternation over the issue, but he would not have stepped into what is clearly a state issue.
Nazis? What Nazis are you speaking of? Is there someone in Florida that is a member of the National Socialist party in Florida?
You are a "GOOD" German.
Not a chance. Since it was a physical impossibility for her to be aware of who she is much less testify, it would have been an unlawful subpoena and any court in the country would have struck it down.
Perhaps you could explain exactly how that would affect this situation. Greer was a state judge who was elected by the people of Florida. Then explain why the judge who dissented in the 11th Circuit the first time and agreed with the family was a Clinton nominee
Republicans don't want conservative judges. They want activist judges who can use a 'living breathing' Constitution to find powers and rulings that agree with their views, same as the Democrats.
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