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Second, Third Nurse Accuse Michael Schiavo
Newsmax ^ | 3/23/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 03/23/2005 7:27:11 AM PST by queenkathy

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:52 p.m. EST

Second, Third Nurse Accuse Michael Schiavo

Two additional nurses have filed affidavits in the Terri Schiavo case that corroborate bombshell allegations by nurse Carla Sauer Iyer, who went public on Tuesday with claims that Michael Schiavo had deliberately withheld treatment from his disabled wife.

Heidi Law was a certified nursing assistant at the Palm Garden Convalescent Center in Largo, Fla., where she treated Mrs. Schiavo in 1997.

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In an affidavit filed with the court in August 2003, Ms. Law maintained:

"I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them."

Law continued:

"Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and [another CNA] would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so.

"We usually did this behind closed doors," Law said, because "we were so fearful of being caught ... we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many times."

"At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened.

"On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael."

Like nurse Iyer, Law suspected that Michael was mistreating Terri, noting in her sworn statement:

"Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn’t trust Michael.

"When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and sometimes had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. ...

"We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left."

"The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a 'Do Not Resuscitate' order had been put on Terri’s chart, considering her age and her obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings."

Carolyn Johnson, a certified nursing assistant who worked at the Sabal Palms nursing home in Largo, said Terri's mistreatment went back to at least 1993.

"During this assignment I took care of Terri Schiavo several times," Johnson said in her own August 2003 affidavit.

"I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor's orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri's doctor's orders."

Johnson recalled: "No one was allowed to just go in and see Terri. Michael had a visitors list. We all knew that we would lose our jobs if we did not do exactly what Michael said to do."

Johnson continued:

"I remember seeing Michael Schiavo only once the entire time I worked at Sabal Palms, but we were all aware that Terri was not to be given any kind of rehabilitative help, per his instructions.

"Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this," Johnson said, "as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation."


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To: ContemptofCourt
Just curious why these nurses did not tesitfy at the originial trial? The Schindlers knew of these claims.

From the very beginning and all along the way Judge Greer threw out their affidavits as hearsay and did not admit their testimony or affidavits as evidence in their findings.

That's the problem with these appeals, they are based merely on findings from the original court (Judge Greer's) and did he violate any proceedings. These federal courts are not looking into the original issues and all the evidence that Judge Greer and Judge Baird suppressed.

21 posted on 03/23/2005 7:39:08 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: DollarCoins
Welcome to FR, newbie. I reckon you'd be a lot more comfortable as a member of this party:


22 posted on 03/23/2005 7:39:24 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: riri

Not much longer. The human body can only take so much. This is just breaking my heart! I feel soo sick!


23 posted on 03/23/2005 7:41:14 AM PST by areafiftyone (The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
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To: queenkathy; All

Does anyone know if she is being given morphine or not? First, I read that she was, then I read that she wasn't. I know that morphine could kill her, but I can't stand the thought that she's in pain.


24 posted on 03/23/2005 7:41:51 AM PST by SilentServiceCPOWife ("It's a good life...if you don't weaken." - - my grandmother)
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To: Antoninus

Why would you make a statment like that?


25 posted on 03/23/2005 7:41:54 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: DollarCoins
I do not believe these nurses. Why many many years after the fact are they coming forth with these allegations. It would seem they are seeking media attention, or simply they seek to keep Terri alive. (nothing wrong with that). Nonetheless, they can't be considered truths. If in fact they are telling the truth, they should be taken to court by the family for not coming forward earlier to put a stop to the actions.

They did come forward and were vilified and had trouble finding work. They did come forward even though they feared for their own safety and well being. They did come forward and Judge Greer decided to ignore their affidavits. They came forward when Terris's feeding tube was removed several times before but the MSM didn't pick up on it like they have this time.

26 posted on 03/23/2005 7:43:11 AM PST by texgal (end no-fault divorce laws return DUE PROCESS & EQUAL PROTECTION to ALL citizens))
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To: DollarCoins

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0347,hentoff,48738,6.html


27 posted on 03/23/2005 7:43:19 AM PST by eartotheground (trial lawyers are destroying the medical industry)
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To: DollarCoins
Why many many years after the fact are they coming forth with these allegations.

I'm still wondering why Micheal waited 7 years to say Terri said she wanted to die if ever in this situation.

28 posted on 03/23/2005 7:43:38 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: ContemptofCourt

They all signed sworn affidavits two years ago. Apparently, the DA and/or judge didn't find their testimony sufficiently "compelling". Maybe we can convince them otherwise...


29 posted on 03/23/2005 7:43:38 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: queenkathy

WOW! I'm really impressed with Michael's LOVE for his wife that he would go to such ends ( denying his wife a damp cloth ) to insure that her will to die be respected, EVEN IF it causes her TERRIBLE DISCOMFORT AND PAIN!!
What an unselfish man; to take time away from his "girlfriend" and BASTARD kids to keep people from giving Terri succor, since this might cause her to live longer. And he does all this knowing that people will call him a "wife-killer" ; but he regards this distruction of his reputation of NO consequence compared to "keeping his word" to his wife and respecting her wishes.
And all of this is NOT FOR MONEY$$$$$?????


30 posted on 03/23/2005 7:44:40 AM PST by noah (noah)
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To: DollarCoins

Some of these women did come forward before and Judge "God" Greer chose to disregard them.


31 posted on 03/23/2005 7:44:59 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: jennyjenny

I'm still wondering why Micheal waited 7 years to say Terri said she wanted to die if ever in this situation.


I have been wondering the same thing for years.


32 posted on 03/23/2005 7:45:48 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: areafiftyone

If it is the same priest who was on Fox this morning, he is no longer allowed in to see Terri. He was saying that for the parents to go in to see Terri, they have to go through 3 police searches - one, a strip search, and that if Terri's mother were to try to give Terri even an ice chip, she would be arrested.


33 posted on 03/23/2005 7:46:03 AM PST by Texas Deb
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Where is the proof of that, I have only seen proof of the opposite.


34 posted on 03/23/2005 7:46:35 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: Texas Deb

That is sooo cruel! If I was a cop being assigned to that room I would quit! I just couldn't stop someone trying to bring water to a person dying of thirst!


35 posted on 03/23/2005 7:47:58 AM PST by areafiftyone (The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
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To: nikos1121
Hey..there will be a lot more Micheal's coming out of the wood work soon now that it's close to being shown to everyone across the country that it is legal for an estranged husband to decide on his disabled wife's fate....

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36 posted on 03/23/2005 7:48:12 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: DollarCoins

Go through the various threads on here. There is more than enough evidence of what I've stated. I don't have time to go back through all the threads


37 posted on 03/23/2005 7:48:48 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: jennyjenny
That's easy. He had finally won a lawsuit and wanted another woman. Then he conveniently "remembered" "OH yes and my wife didn't want to be kept alive" Supposedly they had a one sentence conversation concerning Karen Ann Quindlan and how she wouldn't want machines to keep her alive.

I said a lot of things when I was younger that I hope no one remembers today.

38 posted on 03/23/2005 7:48:59 AM PST by queenkathy
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To: 2nd amendment mama

There is no evidence. Just heresay. I am not arguing against replacing the feeding tube, merely that these nurses are suspicious at best.


39 posted on 03/23/2005 7:49:54 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: DollarCoins

Here are the links to their affidavits:

Affidavit of C Johnson 08-28-03
http://www.hospicepatients.org/cjohnson-08-28-03-affidavit-re-terri-schiavo-michael.pdf

Affidavit of Heidi Law 09-03
http://www.hospicepatients.org/heidi-law-09-03-affidavit-re-terri-schiavo-michael.html

Affidavit of Iyer-Carla-12-15-03
http://www.hospicepatients.org/iyer-carla-12-15-03-affidavit-re-terri-schiavo-michael.pdf


40 posted on 03/23/2005 7:49:59 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("Life is sacred or meaningless, there is nothing in between.")
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