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Second, Third Nurse Accuse Michael Schiavo
Newsmax ^ | 3/23/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 03/23/2005 7:27:11 AM PST by queenkathy

Tuesday, March 22, 2005 11:52 p.m. EST

Second, Third Nurse Accuse Michael Schiavo

Two additional nurses have filed affidavits in the Terri Schiavo case that corroborate bombshell allegations by nurse Carla Sauer Iyer, who went public on Tuesday with claims that Michael Schiavo had deliberately withheld treatment from his disabled wife.

Heidi Law was a certified nursing assistant at the Palm Garden Convalescent Center in Largo, Fla., where she treated Mrs. Schiavo in 1997.

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In an affidavit filed with the court in August 2003, Ms. Law maintained:

"I know that Terri did not receive routine physical therapy or any other kind of therapy. I was personally aware of orders for rehabilitation that were not being carried out. Even though they were ordered, Michael would stop them."

Law continued:

"Michael ordered that Terri receive no rehabilitation or range of motion therapy. I and [another CNA] would give Terri range of motion anyway, but we knew we were endangering our jobs by doing so.

"We usually did this behind closed doors," Law said, because "we were so fearful of being caught ... we were always looking out for Michael, because we knew that, not only would Michael take his anger out on us, but he would take it out more on Terri. We spoke of this many times."

"At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened.

"On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely. I did not do it more often only because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael."

Like nurse Iyer, Law suspected that Michael was mistreating Terri, noting in her sworn statement:

"Several times when Michael visited Terri during my shift, he went into her room alone and closed the door. This worried me because I didn’t trust Michael.

"When he left, Terri was very agitated, was extremely tense with tightened fists and sometimes had a cold sweat. She was much less responsive than usual and would just stare out the window, her eyes kind of glassy. ...

"We were convinced that he was abusing her, and probably saying cruel, terrible things to her because she would be so upset when he left."

"The Palm Gardens staff, myself included, were just amazed that a 'Do Not Resuscitate' order had been put on Terri’s chart, considering her age and her obvious cognitive awareness of her surroundings."

Carolyn Johnson, a certified nursing assistant who worked at the Sabal Palms nursing home in Largo, said Terri's mistreatment went back to at least 1993.

"During this assignment I took care of Terri Schiavo several times," Johnson said in her own August 2003 affidavit.

"I learned, as part of my training, that there was a family dispute and that the husband, as guardian, wanted no rehabilitation for Terri. This surprised me, as I did not think a guardian could go against a doctor's orders like that, but I was assured that a guardian could and that this guardian had gone against Terri's doctor's orders."

Johnson recalled: "No one was allowed to just go in and see Terri. Michael had a visitors list. We all knew that we would lose our jobs if we did not do exactly what Michael said to do."

Johnson continued:

"I remember seeing Michael Schiavo only once the entire time I worked at Sabal Palms, but we were all aware that Terri was not to be given any kind of rehabilitative help, per his instructions.

"Once, I wanted to put a cloth in Terri's hand to keep her hand from closing in on itself, but I was not permitted to do this," Johnson said, "as Michael Schiavo considered that to be a form of rehabilitation."


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To: FBD

I agree something does stink.

PS. Love those kyaking pics on your profile.


121 posted on 03/23/2005 8:29:16 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: Saundra Duffy

YIKES! What is wrong with that Bishop!


122 posted on 03/23/2005 8:29:50 AM PST by areafiftyone (The Democrat's Mind: The Hamster's dead but the wheel's still spinning!)
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To: ContemptofCourt
Just curious why these nurses did not tesitfy at the originial trial? The Schindlers knew of these claims.

I heard two different people say something about gag-orders yesterday, one for SURE was a nurse.
123 posted on 03/23/2005 8:29:55 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: Earthdweller

In a life vs death case are there not mandates that all tests possible should be performed before a judgement?

One would think so, though I can not attest because I do not practice that type of law.


124 posted on 03/23/2005 8:31:26 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: Stand Watch Listen
The picture in the second row, right - was this taken after the incident that put her in this state? I thought I saw yesterday that it was a post-incident picture. I mean, good grief, she was well on her way to recovery until that monster of a husband started his slow murder of her, if that's the case.
125 posted on 03/23/2005 8:31:51 AM PST by WeddingPlanner
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To: Earthdweller

I think you have misunderstood Dollar's point. She is an attorney and she is asking the questions that Michael's attorneys will raise. Sometimes to win a case you have to mock argue from the other side to ensure your argument is airtight before going to the judge.


126 posted on 03/23/2005 8:32:59 AM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (People too weak to follow their own dreams, will always find a way to discourage yours.)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick

This guy's girlfriend is probably just like Amber Fry.

Abusive men like Scott Peterson, OJ Simpson, Gary Condit, et all, never have had a problem finding stupid, gullible women for girlfriends.

I can't understand it, but no one can deny that there are women who will trip all over their own good sense, to be with abusive, dangerous guys.


127 posted on 03/23/2005 8:33:10 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DollarCoins

Thanks FRiend.


128 posted on 03/23/2005 8:33:55 AM PST by FBD ("A nation without borders is not a nation." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: DollarCoins

Some of these nurses are claiming that after her so-called husband's visits that Terry would be crying, visibly shaken, and sweaty. One of them says that she had suspicious marks on her body in unusual locations that weren't there before his visits, and she says that there was a bottle of insulin hidden in the garbage can after his visit. This isn't "hearsay", it's direct visual testimony by well-qualified medical professionals. Furthermore, if they're just lying and making it all up, they're unquestionably opening themselves to potential serious legal repercussions, and pretty much destroying their professional futures.


129 posted on 03/23/2005 8:35:09 AM PST by jpl (The Deathocrats are a bigger threat to our society than the Islamic terrorists.)
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To: queenkathy; All

Most of the people who are in collusion with Greer donated to his campaign.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/030105091_schiavo_judge_greer_su.htm

"Greer allegedly raised one of the biggest war chests ever in a judicial campaign with contributions over $144,000."

"The contributors included members of the Michael Schiavo legal team, Hamden Baskin III, $500; Deborah Bushnell, $250; Felos and Felos of which lead Schiavo attorney George Felos is a principal, $250; Gynethe S. Stanley, $150 and $250; Steven Nilsson, $250 and $250."

"The maximum contribution allowed by an individual is $500."

There's tons more at The Empire Journal. I encourage anyone who wants to know more about what is wrong in Pinellas County to go read these articles. This is a case of judicial tyranny at its finest.

http://www.theempirejournal.com/0317054%20Greer_Schiavo_articles.htm


130 posted on 03/23/2005 8:35:25 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: queenkathy
Even if Terri is not starved to death, these facilites sure better have lots of insurance to pay their way out of the lawsuits surely to come. Take any one of these cases to a jury and people will find out just who has abused Terri for years and whose jobs were threatened over these revelations.

I heard that other nurse who worked just last weekend who after being contacted the minute she showed up to work by nursing staff to get her signature on a petition to State Lawmakers, refusing and later told that if she went public, she would be fired and was.

131 posted on 03/23/2005 8:36:54 AM PST by zerosix
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To: DollarCoins
My understanding is that an MRI cannot be done because of a medical procedure done on Terri early on. Thats what was reported on FNC

According to Michael Schiavo's November 19, 1993 deposition, case No. 90-2908-GD, the electrodes implanted were platinum.

If the items are not paramagnetic (like iron), there would be no danger and no contraindication to an MRI.

132 posted on 03/23/2005 8:37:45 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("Life is sacred or meaningless, there is nothing in between.")
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To: DollarCoins
But you believe HINO coming forward SEVEN years after Terri's "accident" and suddenly remembering she said she wanted to die, such memory conveniently coming AFTER he was awarded over a million dollars to care for her for the rest of her life. Hmmmm...

What would the nurses have to gain by lying?

What would M Schiavo have to gain by lying?
133 posted on 03/23/2005 8:37:54 AM PST by spiralsue (Medieval treatment of Terri Schiavo accelerates!)
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To: DollarCoins

I must say that I began to be upset at your original post, but I see you are sincerely looking for truth. At least it looks that way to me, and I refuse to beat up on you. I'm still relatively new here too!


134 posted on 03/23/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by Fudd Fan (MaryJo Kopechne needed an "exit strategy")
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To: queenkathy

BUMP


135 posted on 03/23/2005 8:38:51 AM PST by Dante3
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To: chgomac
Nurses spend more time on a day to day basis with patients in hospitals and observe their behavior for extended lengths of time.

The MD that testified on behalf of Micheal saw her for 45 minutes total..TOTAL!

136 posted on 03/23/2005 8:39:54 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
"...mock argue from the other side to ensure your argument is airtight before going to the judge." Hey I'm all up for a mock debate but this looks more like support for Micheal's view on an open forum by a newbie to me.
137 posted on 03/23/2005 8:43:11 AM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: El_Doctor
Can the Parents make a case against Micheal for Guardianship?
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They tried. "Judge" Greer said he would be Terri's guardian. A legally-blind man who never visited her. AND a clear conflict of interest and violation of guardianship laws. Greer flouts the law, over and over.

Greer dismisses almost every single motion brought by the Schindlers.

Terri's plight shows we are experiencing the result of years of the public's misconception that the courts "make" law. Take a poll of uninformed morons and spread the crap as gospel.
138 posted on 03/23/2005 8:43:54 AM PST by spiralsue (Medieval treatment of Terri Schiavo accelerates!)
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To: DollarCoins

>There is no evidence. Just heresay. I am not arguing against replacing the feeding tube, merely that these nurses are suspicious at best.<

Michael Schiavo testified that Terri told him something. Terri can't testify directly what she actually said. This is hearsay.

These nurses are testifying directly to the court, thus, their statements are not hearsay.


139 posted on 03/23/2005 8:45:58 AM PST by Darnright (No matter how sick a person is, he is and will always be a man, never becoming a vegetable or animal)
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To: FBD; All

Go to this site, then click on the annual reports at the bottom. Felos started as director of the board in 1997 and left the position in 2001. He began as Michael's lawyer in 1998, and Terri was put into the Woodside Hospice (only one of many facilities run by The Hospice of the Florida Suncoast group). The print is small, but George Felos is the in the first position on the form.

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/cordet.exe?a1=DETFIL&n1=739288&n2=NAMFWD&n3=0002&n4=N&r1=&r2=&r3=&r4=HOSPICEFLORIDASUNCOAST&r5=

1997 Annual Report:
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/1997/0217/90126249.TIF

2001 Annual Report:
http://www.sunbiz.org/COR/2001/0502/186011A9.tif


140 posted on 03/23/2005 8:47:16 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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