Posted on 03/21/2005 9:49:25 AM PST by MisterRepublican
One cannot hurt an individual, only the distinct organs and possessions of that individual, like his lawnmower or his kidney.
very well put, especially post #114. However, I think, in general you (along with some others) are trying to rationalize something that is beyond rationality.
No, self-discipline implies that one would not enter a foam pit of naked people at a party at all, no matter what attire one wore.
This is like saying that self-discipline includes bringing enough matches to keep your crackpipe lit during your binge.
Absolutely! Good luck.
Thank you, but I think the topic only seems beyond rationality given our current context.
In an earlier age, a woman who behaved the way many college women behave would starve and men who behaved the way many college men behave would be killed.
The discipline of so many over centuries built the wealth we currently enjoy, a wealth which enables this behavior.
However, this behavior undermines the family, values like fidelity and loyalty, etc. and the loss of those values will ultimately wreck the wealth we've created and the ability to indulge in this indisciplined lifestyle will disappear.
There is no Rational reason Not to sleep around? You truly aren't serious are you?
If you are I think you recieved a far less than adequate education.
Lets look at it strictly from a biological perspective shall we? Increased risk of STDs
Increased risk of preganancy and not having a partner around to aid in the upbringing of the offspring.
Increased likelihood any offspring created by this will be raised without a father or father figure.
Vastly increased likelyhood of living in poverty should one become a single mother.
Vastly increased liklihood that offspring will have any number or problems or issues because they don't have a father.
These are all proven facts. Rationale dictates beyond question that women tend to do better by not acting like men sexually.
Sexual promescuity does real damage to people, and removing the emotion from the physical frankly creates damaged goods. I don't know one highly promiscuous woman who is happy with their lives. In fact most bitch to me that they can't find a man, and refuse the simple answer that most men dont want a long term situation with a woman whos been around the block a few hundred times.
You sow your oats with sluts... you don't marry them. That's reality. I don't care how much pop culture may want to convince everyone otherwise, its reality. If as a man you cannot trust yout partner to remain faithful, you find another partner... biology 101. If you can't be reasonably certain any offsprint created are yours, you won't expend the effort, energy and time to raise them.
dig deeper. it's not discipline in the middle of nothing. It was fear of G-d. It was the foundation. And on that, they built discipline, honesty, family values, etc, etc.
Nowadays, people got a bit too arrogant; they think if something is not "scientifically" provable, it's BS. So, naturally, if foundation eroded, you can only expect the building to collapse sooner or later. Trying to argue with people who have different foundation or no foundation at all is hopeless.
"Hoggamus higgamus, men are polygamous; higgamus hoggamus, women monogamous."
I would say that it was natural law, which God established.
The ancient Romans build an extremely disciplined and effective society with a high standard of personal integrity.
The fear of the God of Abraham is a powerful incentive to building a disciplined community, but so is a unsentimental acceptance of the reality He created.
The Romans had the latter.
Uh, yeah. Did a little bit of that, well a lot of that too. Family is from the area. I go back to see them. No real interest in going to Carbondale any more. I can tell you this, I went back to look around in about 2002, and nothing had changed. Nothing. No new buildings, no new roads, barracks still in the middle of campus. I think they built some buildings since you were there, I was there in 77-81, but nothing since then.
bttt
Thank you, women's lib. /sarc
Increased risk of preganancy
-- not if you're careful with condoms!
and not having a partner around to aid in the upbringing of the offspring. - not a fact at all. In fact, many people would argue, they wouldn't even considered marrying someone they never had sex with.
Increased likelihood any offspring created by this will be raised without a father or father figure. - again, pure speculation. Do I even need to continue? There is NO hard evidence, none. I know plenty of happily people, who see no problem with sex before marriage. That's not my idea of right behavior, but i have different foundation as we already discussed with awaken :)
if homosexuality and orgies and sadistic perversions is your idea of high personal integrity, then i pass... they collapsed after few hundred years and completely disappeared. Present italians are NOT their descendants.
Abraham is entirely different story. I am his direct descendant ;-)
As a matter of semantics, I suppose that is correct. We can simply break it down to ownership: I own my nose, so you therefore have no right to damage it with a baseball bat.
A variety of reasons. A common one would be that they wanted a professional to invest their money.
Incivility and indiscipline can often do unquantifiable damage.
Perhaps, but hurt feelings and boorish behavior are not causes of action, nor should they be. You have no right not to be offended.
The problem is when both the guys and the girls are sleeping around... And they're not practicing "safer sex."
When I was in college, I had a roommate who managed to get infected with clymidia, and spread it around to at least 3 other girls on campus, as well as his girlfriend at home.
Mark
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