Posted on 03/20/2005 9:26:17 AM PST by Dane
I wasn't aware of this, but I still think electing our Judges is far better than them being appointed for life. In Greer's case however, the good people of Florida are getting what they wanted. I don't know what can be done about that short of the Congress intervening to stop an obvious and gross injustice to Terri and her family.
Frankly I don't see this issue, (Congress trying to reverse a judge's decision), as being wrong or dangerous at all. It has enormous precedent when you consider that Governors and Presidents have reversed a great many judicial decisions through pardons. In fact, in many cases judges themselves have reversed or "set aside" the decisions of juries when they are obviously and blatantly wrong. But rest assured that Congress is acting because 'we the people' are demanding they do.
Someone should disconnect his tube!
I am argueing the exact opposite side of this. I don't want the Fed.s to have the right to overrule family and be forced to keep someone alive for their own purposes, be they benign or not.
That leaves the door open to organ farms, forced blood banking and any other biologically and morally abhorant behavior the Feds deem is "in the best interest" of society.
Not that this congress would do it, but it's the precident being set and the law being subverted.
Ok, I'm confused... will there be any further hearings toDAY, or not until 12:01 AM?? TIA.
$100 bucks say they let her die.
Cerebral Cortex:
Frontal Lobe/Consciousness
Response to environment
judgement
emotional response
word meanings
motor activities
When you lose this funtion you have a loss of movement, inability to plan complex activites such as making coffee, loss of sponteneity, loss of simple movements of body parts
I am as informed as the rest of you. While reading about the case in various media, this was a pretty consistent determination. Look, I dont know what the answer in this case is. I wish people would pay attention. I am concerned with the implications of this new law they are trying to pass, that is all. I am trying to make some sense of this like everybody else. I am just trying to look at a different point of view that is all.
I think Bill Clinton and Lawton Chiles would have already acted by now if Terri were a Democrat constituent facing this horror. And the media would have cheered Clinton or Chiles for acting extralegally.
I just hope after all this is done that you will still have that individual right. That is precisely what I'm worried about losing. That no matter what you want, the Congress of the United States will have the last say, not you.
The law states that Terry's wishes are to be carried out.
??? What wishes -ya mean the one she put in writing? Or the hearsay wishes that went unnoticed til several years later (the one after the money was recd.)
Transforming the Culture of Dying PDIA (Project on Death in America)
Profiles of PDIA-Funded Researchers and Projects
Exerpt: (located below midpage)
Ira Byock, M.D.
Barbara K. Spring, M.D.
As a hospice physician and medical director, Dr. Ira Byock is only too aware of the difference between a "good" death and a "bad" death, and the fact that the latter far outnumber the former. But instead of working only with the medical profession to reverse this equation, he and gerontologist Dr. Barbara K. Spring set out to engage an entire Montana town in examining the dying process and making it better. The Missoula Demonstration Project: The Quality of Life's End is the most ambitious effort of its kind in the United States. Modeled after a famous long-term heart disease study which collected data on an entire community, the 15-year Missoula Demonstration Project aims not only to improve the quality of life's end in Missoula, but to stimulate other efforts throughout the country. Organized in 1996, and overseen by an international advisory committee, the project is engaged in several studies to understand people's experiences, attitudes, values, customs and concerns about death. By looking at 250 families which experienced a death within a one-year period, for instance, and by gathering data in all health-care settings that treat or care for dying people, researchers hope to create, as Byock puts it, an "intensive, high-definition picture of dying, death and bereavement in Missoula." "Our approach," says Barbara Spring, "is to focus on what people seem to worry about the most-pain, the length of the dying process, isolation, and other things that make them miserable."
Well then I guess I got away with murder. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Please, I paid good money for my lunch and would like to keep it down.
Hey Ohioan: did you catch HINO on the news last nite, he made a statement "I should be with my wife holding her hand right now...." I wanted to barf. Is he saying he wants to comfort her...I thought she was brain dead and unable to feel anything. Also he always has his Charley MCarthy puppet (Felos) with him. I think Felos is afraid that idiot is going to say something that needs defending.
I was just listening to the cspan coverage of 3 of the Repub. congressmen. One of them, Rep. Marzullo (IL), said "Living wills are not in danger here."
Either he or Rep. Weldon then said, if we find that there are abuses of this bill, then we'll amend it. But Terri is in need today. She can't wait.
Weldon, a physician, also said Terri may not make it while this congressional business goes on.
Hard to face? Many things are. In any case -- you should face up to it and live on. It is common -- not right -- but common. Let us stop any more of it.
LAME, DEAD, ARGUMENT! They all reviewed and ruled on the process, not the facts. One little corrupt tyrant ruled on what the 'facts' were. There in lies the problem.
That reminds me of what Rep. Dreier (CA) said Friday:
"A wise and frugal govt will restrain men from injuring each other..."
Quoting Jefferson in 1801.
This case has nothing to do with organ donation. You can only use the organs if they are still fully functioning as life support is withdrawn, such as a respirator. You CANNOT used organs from a person who has been dehydrated to death. The organs are useless. Please people, educate yourselves. Now you are trying to give organ donation a bad name. sheesh!!!
Sometimes a person's religious beliefs are totally inline with his personal beliefs, and vice versa. So it seems the dems are saying that politicians should abandon their personal feelings and beliefs if they happen to parallel their religious beliefs.
I've long known that most Democrat politicians are socialists and communists, in other words, atheists and agnostics. And they want their lack of beliefs to supercede your beliefs.
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