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Feeding Tube Being Removed: Greer Gives Order
MSNBC

Posted on 03/18/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Greer gives order


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; culturewar; deathpenaltycase; eugenics; fuhrergreer; godhavemercy; greerisanazi; greerusurper; lifevsdeath; michaellies; nocerebralcortex; parentsrights; saveterri; saveterriorg; schiavo; secularhumanism; stopkilers; terri; terriisalive; terrischiavo
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To: Netizen

What makes the entire argument even more unbelievable is the number of well-meaning people who have lovingly ended the lives of wives or husbands who were irretrievably, terminally ill and ended up in prison after they did precisely what their loved ones clearly wanted them to do.

I just wonder how Greer would have ruled in cases of that type? I'm pretty certain that he feels complete detachment from the ultimate act of killing this lady, who's done nothing more than marry a cold, uncaring, vicious man. By contrast, the men and women who ended the suffering of a wife or husband (for which they ultimately, knowingly and righfully paid a price) exhibited the bravery to do the deed themselves and accepted responsibility for it.


701 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:05 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired...)
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To: Michael81Dus
"I don´t know exactly, is Terri brain dead or not?"

Who cares whether she is brain dead? What does brain dead mean anyway? There are actually dozens of definitions of brain death used by hospitals depending on whether they want to use the organs or not and whether the family members are prepared to let these "dead people" die. You are dead when your heart stops beating (for good) and you stop breathing. Terri is breathing and her heart is beating - she is alive!

702 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:14 AM PST by grassboots.org (I Breathe and My Heart is Beating - I am by definition alive!)
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To: Clara Lou
"He also said, and I don't know this to be factual, that because her cerebral cortex gone, she would not feel discomfort from thirst or hunger. Anybody know about this?"

I always want to know, how in the h*ll could anybody possibly know this?

I listened to a woman on the radio yesterday who had suffered a massive stroke. In a coma for 70 days. After she came out of it had to have extensive re-hab. She said at one point they had to remove her feeding tube for six days because of some medical problem. She was not able to communicate how horrible it was starving like that. She said her husband was by her side all the time.

703 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:32 AM PST by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: ManHunter

I'd rather watch Congress grill Judge Greer than Mark McGuire.


704 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:35 AM PST by reagandemocrat
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To: Michael81Dus
The question: "What would I want?" is ethically irrelevant, because it falsely assumes that what is ethical is determined by our wants as introspectively perceived. Even when someone wants to die, ethically we do not have the right to kill him.

-A8

705 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:36 AM PST by adiaireton8 ("There is no greater evil one can suffer than to hate reasonable discourse." - Plato, Phaedo 89d)
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To: MonroeDNA

She believes in life, and even if she did not I could not kill....she would have had to leave it in writing so that others like you would kill her.


706 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:36 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: Recovering_Democrat
Yeah, I saw that clown. What an idiot. He said he'd oppose a lethal injection for Terri...but that starvation/dehydration was a-okay.

So basicaly he is a coward. He doesn't mind letting someone die a slow, painful death but he doesn't have the balls to "pull the trigger" so to speak. Sick.

707 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:39 AM PST by thecabal
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To: My Favorite Headache

It was exactly one year ago today when our family said goodbye for the last time to our loving father, who had been in hospice care. The room was filled with all his family at the time just the way he wanted it.

Terri deserves at least that.


708 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:44 AM PST by NavyCanDo
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To: Ohioan from Florida

"Feeding tubes have been in existence since the late 1800's! This is not a new technology!"


THANK YOU!


709 posted on 03/18/2005 11:58:49 AM PST by grassboots.org (I Breathe and My Heart is Beating - I am by definition alive!)
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To: sarasota
From what I heard, JINO Greer declared that 'spoon feeding' was experimental and therefore HINO MS had the right to refuse it. I don't know about the rest.

Judges have severed parental rights for less abuse.

710 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:03 AM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Selkie
If Terri's tube is removed will her parents be allowed to stay with her until she dies ?

Her parents see her when her former husband allows them to. Considering they're at cross-purposes (they want her to live, he wants her dead), I don't think there's chance in hell they get to see their daughter.

This is sick beyond belief.

711 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:04 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: Tarantulas
Then you're calling Terri a Nazi too? Because she said she would rather die than be like she is

There is NO evidence that she said any such thing. and Michael saying it is NOT evidence.

If it wasn't for him standing in the way, it is possible that she could have had rehab and HUMANE treatment and improved by now.

712 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:10 AM PST by housewife101
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To: MonroeDNA

Michael has NOT allowed Terri any rehab. He's not allowed visitors. He's not allowed dental care. She had an infection, uh..bladder? (I don't remember) and he wouldn't let her be treated. The curtains in her room are closed. She's not allowed sunlight. Anyone who HAS worked with her, and has seen and documented PROGRESS, has been ordered OUT of her life.

Michael is living with another woman. Michael has two children with that woman. He could divorce her and be done with this.

Why?


713 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:11 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: george wythe

That´s exactly the point: it was meant as a constitution for a union of sovereign states. IT WAS MEANT! It is no longer, since nobody seriously says Florida, Michigan or Oregon were sovereign states. The powers of the states and the federal stage need to be reformed.


714 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:25 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: Rutles4Ever
Terri is no more being "force fed" than a baby is when receiving a bottle. What's happening to Terri is no more torture than giving a baby a bottle.

That was my point as well. That's why I put "forced" in quotes 8-)

715 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:45 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: MonroeDNA
Would you let your mom be this way for 15 years? Simple question, Jeff.

Phrase it a bit more simply.

Would you kill your mother after denying her care and therapy for 15 years?

716 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:45 AM PST by Coop (In memory of a true hero - Pat Tillman)
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To: Rebelbase

There is a difference between removing life support and a feeding tube. No I would not have left my parents starve to death. I would not let them starve to death my husband or son. I have worked in both psych and a nursing homes. If I had treated any of my patients the way Terri has been treated I would be held both civilly and criminally liable. I would would deserve any punishment meted out to me.


717 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:45 AM PST by LauraJean (sometimes I win sometimes I donate to the equine benevolent society)
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To: Tarantulas
Because she said she would rather die than be like she is.

Unproveable. You have only the heresay of parties with a conflicting interest.

718 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:48 AM PST by Petronski (If 'Judge' Greer can kill Terri, who will be next?)
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To: Michael81Dus
Someone here said she were brain dead, ok.

The pro-death crowd who think more about their agenda that kindness.

719 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:55 AM PST by Lady Heron
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To: sarasota
Was that the doc who works geriatrics and can confirm that Terri will feel no pain or discomfort when her body dehydrates and starves?

I don't know, I turned on the TV just as he was saying that.

720 posted on 03/18/2005 11:59:59 AM PST by thecabal
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