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Feeding Tube Being Removed: Greer Gives Order
MSNBC

Posted on 03/18/2005 10:41:59 AM PST by My Favorite Headache

Greer gives order


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cultureofdeath; culturewar; deathpenaltycase; eugenics; fuhrergreer; godhavemercy; greerisanazi; greerusurper; lifevsdeath; michaellies; nocerebralcortex; parentsrights; saveterri; saveterriorg; schiavo; secularhumanism; stopkilers; terri; terriisalive; terrischiavo
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To: Michael81Dus

According to those caring for her, she has made her wishes clear: she wants to live.


421 posted on 03/18/2005 11:27:51 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: utahagen
The other side is hoping we become discouraged. When you start betting that the feeding tube will be removed, how are you going to pray with passion that it won't be? There are news reports at this moment that say what we have right now is a stand-off between two judges' rulings and no one seems sure of what is going to happen. Please stop being pessimistic! We need to pray with hope in our hearts and with faith that God will hear our prayers.

It's NCAA tourney time . . . I learned a long time ago, bet with your brain, not your heart.

422 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:05 AM PST by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Michael81Dus
May she leave our world in peace

Nothing like the peace of being excruciatingly, painfully starved to death over a few weeks period.

423 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:07 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Noah_Si al_178?
Both sides of the debate consider themselves to be Schiavo defenders. As someone who wishes for her suffering to end, I feel that allowing her to move on to the after-life is an act of mercy. Maybe we should put a bullet in your brain and let you go to the after-life -- is that what you desire for your life?

If it is, then you are in need of help.

If you believe other people want to die, you are wrong. It is God's call, not yours. If Terri is naturally dying, then that is fine.

But she isn't.

Apparently, you listen only to the bad media and have not visited www.terrisfight.org for a different opinion.

Adolf Hitler killed himself to avoid what was going to happen to him. But that was wrong. However, if someone had killed Hitler to bring about an early end of World War II, as the Desert Fox tried and failed, that is okay.

If you defend lives by doing something truly necessary -- such as taking a life -- that is considered justified.

Saint Thomas Aquinas wrote the Theology of the Just War in which self-defense is described.

But how is Terri Schiavo a threat to society?

424 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:08 AM PST by topher (Pray for our leaders -- Pray for Justice for Terri Schiavo -- let her live!)
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To: bigeasy_70118

Well said. The subpoenas state that no one is to touch any of the equipment.


425 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:34 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Michael81Dus
In 1978 I dove in 3ft of water and broke my neck. C1+C2+C3 + my adontoid. I remember hearing the doctors talking and surprised I was still alive. I couldn't reply and to make matters worse I could not stay conscious. Later I think they refered to it as "in and out".

I will never forget hearing people say that there was nothing they could do for me and that I was for sure going to die. I was crying inside and unable to reply or communicate with anyone.

I remember it all. My mother and father crying and asking the doctor if I was in pain and the doctor telling them I had no chance at survival.

Im glad no one gave up on me because miracles can and do happen.

426 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:39 AM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: MonroeDNA
On topic: Would you let your mom go for 15 years of bedsores? I wouldn't. But that's me.

What would yo do? Hold a pillow over her face and suffocate her? Give someone else a pillow to hold over her face?

If she were my mother, I'd treat her bedsores.

427 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:44 AM PST by JCEccles (If Jimmy Carter were a country, he'd be Canada.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida

I am not talking of feeding tubes, but of dealing with coma patients. In 1945 nobody bothered to determine that the brain functions of a coma patient stopped. Today we really have to consider that our end could be in the intensive station.


428 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:56 AM PST by Michael81Dus
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To: bigeasy_70118

...and any personnel that removes the tube?


429 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:57 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: areafiftyone
FEDS ARE TRYING TO GET AHOLD OF THE FLORDA JUDGE TO TELL HIM NO AND HE CAN'T BE FOUND BUT THEY SAY THEY WANT TO SEE HER AND WILL ISSUE A RESTRANING ORDER TO STOP IT......or something like this bottom line ...... G-TUBE HAS BEEN ORDERED TO STAY PER CNN REPORTS
430 posted on 03/18/2005 11:28:58 AM PST by oceanperch (2005 is going to be an Awesome Year, which way that will go only God knows)
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To: Noah_Si al_178?

va fa' in quel paese.


431 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:08 AM PST by mjtobias (Praying for Terri.)
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To: MonroeDNA
On topic: Would you let your mom go for 15 years of bedsores?

Nope! I'd LET HER go to rehab! That way she wouldn't HAVE to be bedridden ALL THE TIME!!!

432 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:11 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma (aitch tee tee pea colon 2 slashes dubya dubya dubya dot proud patriots dot org)
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To: ImaGraftedBranch

I still don't know where I stand on this issue, but I admire all the people who feel so strongly for Terri's life.
I look at the pictures of people crying and praying en masse for her and it chills me.
I feel that if she is dehydrated to death that this issue of right to live won't end with her death but will continue to turn into a powderkeg.
Very explosive situation.


433 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:16 AM PST by Selkie (Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.)
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To: GraceCoolidge

What troubles me most is the fact we do NOT know as much as we think we know about the human brain. Up until a few years ago scientists die not believe new neurons grew in the brain. NOW it is commonly accepted that neuron growth does occur. (not enough to replace an entire injured brain but some growth of note)

The sad part is that the well has been so poisoned with outside activists and now Judicial Egomania that a reasonable compromise may never be possible. No matter how this ends, it will be a tradgedy for those immediatly involved (not the activists not judge wackado)


434 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:25 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Aquinasfan

I hope you didn't misunderstand my post - to say that force feeding a human being basic nourishment is "torture" is the height of absurdity when we do the same for infants. We force feed them because it's caring, not cruel...


435 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:28 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: oceanperch

I hope that source can be trusted!


436 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:31 AM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: MonroeDNA

Hey, Moron, oops, Monroe... you never responded to my post on the other Terri thread, so, I'll say again...

"15 years of this vegetable doing bedsores...
I would not wish this life on anyone I care for. Would you? If it was your mom, or sister, or wife, would you?"


I don't care if you're genetically linked to Jim, George Bush, Marilyn Monroe, or Marilyn Manson. You are indeed a "knuckle-dragger" just like your page states.

I believe passionately in the sanctity of innocent life. If I err, I err on the side of life. I am ardently pro-life (even though I wasn't in my early college years), and anti-euthanasia.

My younger brother's only child, my niece, from birth was very much like Terri Schiavo. Her health problems resulted from genetic issues. She never spoke a word. She never walked. She never crawled. She never fed herself. She could not hug with her arms. She died when she was 13.

Her life, and the look in her eyes when she went in her special wheelchair outside for walks, spoke volumes, and shouted out to the world that she could make a difference.

And you know what? She did more to heal people around her (in particular, my mother and father) than a thousand sermons, a thousand pontificating politicians, or a thousand professors of ethics ever could.

Was she a vegetable? If she was, the world needs more such vegetables, and less knuckle-draggers.

The image of my niece, and her ability (although miniscule) to be happy, will not allow me to accept some euthanasia-happy society that arbitrarily decides who lives a 'worthy' life or not. And that includes the "Greer Reaper".

Or you.


438 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:45 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: Mathemagician
People do not remove feeding tubes from elderly parents.

Boy are you uneducated. Happens every day, in every state. I have two coworkers who chose this for their parent or grandparent in the last few years.

439 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:52 AM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: My Favorite Headache
WHY HASN'T ANYBODY DONE AN EEG ON THIS WOMAN TO SEE WHAT HER BRAIN ACTIVITY IS? WHY DOES NO ONE EVEN WANT TO TALK ABOUT MEDICALLY ASSESSING HER FUNCTION?

It's one thing if her body is hanging on because of medical devices, it's another if she's in pain and suffering with no hope of relief. It's another if she's got an active mind trapped by a incapacitated body.

We have millions of dollars of medical equipment out there to answer questions about her real mental condition. Why don't they use them?

440 posted on 03/18/2005 11:29:55 AM PST by MHT
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