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CA: The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out (33% want to leave)
Daily Breeze ^ | 3/17/2005 | Josh Grossberg

Posted on 03/17/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl

The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out In fact, a third of the residents surveyed said they want to move away, up more than 20 percent from 2003. The mood here in the South Bay, however, is slightly rosier.

Fed up with traffic, crime and skyrocketing housing prices, a growing number of Los Angeles County residents say they plan to move away within five years, according to a survey released Wednesday.

Although the mood in the South Bay area was slightly rosier, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California calls the county's 10 million residents "stunningly unhappy with some key indicators of quality of life and paints a picture of growing concern for any chance of long-term recovery."

"I spend all my money on rent," said San Pedro resident Janelle Anderson. "And now with gas prices going up, I'd love to find a cheaper place to live. But it's not that easy to leave your job and family."

The number of residents who plan to leave the county almost doubled in two years. A similar survey in 2003 found that 17 percent of residents did not see themselves staying in the county. The number is now 33 percent.

In fact, more people in the city of Los Angeles say they plan to leave than the 26 percent who voted in the recent mayoral election, said Mark Baldassare, the survey's director.

"It seems they plan to vote with their feet," he said.

For Torrance resident Gary Webb, it's the unrelenting traffic that makes him ponder leaving.

"It seems like I'm always in my car," he said. "And it keeps getting worse. I can't go anywhere without getting stuck in traffic."

The third annual survey found traffic, lack of affordable housing and low-performing public schools as reasons for the bleak outlook -- 74 percent of the 2,000 participants said congestion on freeways and main roads was a major problem. Another 64 percent said a lack of affordable housing was a big problem in the county. Both those figures have significantly increased from two years ago, when 67 percent cited traffic woes and 54 percent mentioned housing.

"So many dimensions of people are more negative today," Baldassare said. "The way they rate housing problems, the way they view race relations, and increasing negativity were certainly important things we noted."

In all, 58 percent believe race relations were not so good, compared to 53 percent in 2003. Different races also had varied outlooks. Only 21 percent of blacks -- compared to 50 percent of all residents -- say police in their community treat all racial and ethnic groups fairly most of the time.

But there were some silver linings in the survey. For instance, most residents expect race relations to improve.

"There are areas that have optimism," Baldassare said. "Most people believe race and ethnic relations will improve. And we're seeing improvements in the economy and the general belief that the quality of life is still good."

Dowell Myers, a professor of urban planning and demographics at USC, suggested that the survey include a question about whether people planned to move. He said he was a little surprised at the results, but he also cautioned about reading too much into them.

"It's a little higher than I would expect," he said. "It's not clear people are going to act different. People complain about traffic, but don't leave."

But if people do follow up on their plans to move, it could spell trouble in the future.

"The danger is people will still keep coming, but the ones you want to keep might go away because they've got other choices," he said. "You might be keeping the wrong kinds of people. Middle-class taxpayers might get up and go. That's the key. Who are the ones leaving?"

The survey divided the county into four parts. The area that includes the South Bay -- which stretches from Long Beach to Malibu -- was more optimistic about many trends. While generally unhappy with traffic, two-thirds of the area's residents said things were going well. They also gave the highest rating to the economy (40 percent) and expressed strong approval of local parks (68 percent).

"Some of the optimism in the region reflects the fact that people have good air quality, good job opportunities," Baldassare said. "Many people are in good economic shape compared to other parts of the county."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; la; laexodus; losangeles
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To: missyme
If I left California it would be for Prescott Valley Arizona or Sedona

You'll feel right at home with all of the rest of the Californians who've migrated there ;)

321 posted on 03/19/2005 8:01:07 PM PST by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Alabama is a hell hole...narrow minded bigots, terrible weather, sorry schools....repeat, do not think about moving south for the most part...it's awful...terrible i say.... the people are very unenlightened....stay away!!!!! You will get killed!!!


322 posted on 03/19/2005 8:06:09 PM PST by chasio649
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To: Dan from Michigan

Don't get me wrong, I love my car and the independence it affords me (besides, with six cylinders and turbo, it great on I-5 when the JQ Laws aint around), but there are folks in Southern California who spend TWO F-CKING HOURS OR MORE in their car ONE WAY! That's sick IMHO.


323 posted on 03/19/2005 8:12:54 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: chasio649

That description of your reminds me of Brooklyn.


324 posted on 03/19/2005 8:13:18 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: B-Chan
Great post at 238.

I'm a native in an exurban county.

325 posted on 03/19/2005 8:27:25 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Mark Sanford in 2008!!)
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To: Clemenza
Luckily I commute to Lansing and not the Detroit area(I-96). If I had to go to Downtown Detroit, Dearborn, Romulus, or Troy it would be at least 90 minutes one way with the backups.

Lansing and Detroit are equal distances(45 miles), but Lansing is much quicker. I can usually make it to Downtown in 40-50 minutes. That's the difference between a metro area of about 225,000 and one of about 3 million.

If a work situation force me to Detroit, I'll be going to Macomb County(Oakland costs too much) unless I'm running for office. I don't mind commutes, but I hate bumper to bumper backups because of some jackass gawking at a cop pulling someone over.

326 posted on 03/19/2005 8:45:20 PM PST by Dan from Michigan (Mark Sanford in 2008!!)
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To: timestax

$$$$$ bump


327 posted on 03/19/2005 9:07:07 PM PST by timestax
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To: timestax

328 posted on 03/20/2005 10:41:08 AM PST by timestax
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To: BurbankKarl

Yeah, right. Tell it to the real estate market.


329 posted on 03/20/2005 10:41:54 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: pocat

ping


330 posted on 03/20/2005 10:45:03 AM PST by timestax
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To: Cinnamon Girl

That is correcting....prices dropped the past two months.

The Board of Realtors release their stories every month comparing sales prices to last years....not last months.


331 posted on 03/20/2005 10:52:14 AM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl

Please tell me where prices have dropped in LA. I don't see it.


332 posted on 03/20/2005 11:05:16 AM PST by Cinnamon Girl (OMGIIHIHOIIC ping list)
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To: Zivasmate

No, you are right, but they are bringing with them all the worst of CA: Higher home prices, developmental sprawl, less water for all and many of them are liberal RATs, just what we don't need.


333 posted on 03/21/2005 7:02:43 AM PST by Paulus Invictus
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To: timestax

bump


334 posted on 03/21/2005 2:31:55 PM PST by timestax
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To: Nachum

I left LA thirty years ago and never looked back. Now a PA resident.


335 posted on 03/21/2005 2:38:37 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Cinnamon Girl

You don't see it?


336 posted on 03/21/2005 2:44:31 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: Cinnamon Girl

http://www.lendingtree.com/stm3/pressroom/newsarticles-lacounty.asp?source=23972&siteid=&esourceid=23972

the way I read this is prices peaked in December....but since I dont pay for the reports, cant see what they did in Jan-Feb-Mar etc....

takes a few months to tally the results.


337 posted on 03/21/2005 3:25:30 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: timestax

bttt


338 posted on 03/22/2005 7:13:42 PM PST by timestax
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To: L,TOWM

Congratulations!!!
We hope to leave someday, but right now I have it too sweet.


339 posted on 03/22/2005 7:15:41 PM PST by Feiny (Too bad drinking scotch isn't a paying job or Kenny's dad would be a millionaire!)
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To: timestax

oh yeah


340 posted on 03/23/2005 8:43:00 PM PST by timestax
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