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CA: The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out (33% want to leave)
Daily Breeze ^ | 3/17/2005 | Josh Grossberg

Posted on 03/17/2005 3:59:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl

The talk in Los Angeles is the talk of getting out In fact, a third of the residents surveyed said they want to move away, up more than 20 percent from 2003. The mood here in the South Bay, however, is slightly rosier.

Fed up with traffic, crime and skyrocketing housing prices, a growing number of Los Angeles County residents say they plan to move away within five years, according to a survey released Wednesday.

Although the mood in the South Bay area was slightly rosier, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California calls the county's 10 million residents "stunningly unhappy with some key indicators of quality of life and paints a picture of growing concern for any chance of long-term recovery."

"I spend all my money on rent," said San Pedro resident Janelle Anderson. "And now with gas prices going up, I'd love to find a cheaper place to live. But it's not that easy to leave your job and family."

The number of residents who plan to leave the county almost doubled in two years. A similar survey in 2003 found that 17 percent of residents did not see themselves staying in the county. The number is now 33 percent.

In fact, more people in the city of Los Angeles say they plan to leave than the 26 percent who voted in the recent mayoral election, said Mark Baldassare, the survey's director.

"It seems they plan to vote with their feet," he said.

For Torrance resident Gary Webb, it's the unrelenting traffic that makes him ponder leaving.

"It seems like I'm always in my car," he said. "And it keeps getting worse. I can't go anywhere without getting stuck in traffic."

The third annual survey found traffic, lack of affordable housing and low-performing public schools as reasons for the bleak outlook -- 74 percent of the 2,000 participants said congestion on freeways and main roads was a major problem. Another 64 percent said a lack of affordable housing was a big problem in the county. Both those figures have significantly increased from two years ago, when 67 percent cited traffic woes and 54 percent mentioned housing.

"So many dimensions of people are more negative today," Baldassare said. "The way they rate housing problems, the way they view race relations, and increasing negativity were certainly important things we noted."

In all, 58 percent believe race relations were not so good, compared to 53 percent in 2003. Different races also had varied outlooks. Only 21 percent of blacks -- compared to 50 percent of all residents -- say police in their community treat all racial and ethnic groups fairly most of the time.

But there were some silver linings in the survey. For instance, most residents expect race relations to improve.

"There are areas that have optimism," Baldassare said. "Most people believe race and ethnic relations will improve. And we're seeing improvements in the economy and the general belief that the quality of life is still good."

Dowell Myers, a professor of urban planning and demographics at USC, suggested that the survey include a question about whether people planned to move. He said he was a little surprised at the results, but he also cautioned about reading too much into them.

"It's a little higher than I would expect," he said. "It's not clear people are going to act different. People complain about traffic, but don't leave."

But if people do follow up on their plans to move, it could spell trouble in the future.

"The danger is people will still keep coming, but the ones you want to keep might go away because they've got other choices," he said. "You might be keeping the wrong kinds of people. Middle-class taxpayers might get up and go. That's the key. Who are the ones leaving?"

The survey divided the county into four parts. The area that includes the South Bay -- which stretches from Long Beach to Malibu -- was more optimistic about many trends. While generally unhappy with traffic, two-thirds of the area's residents said things were going well. They also gave the highest rating to the economy (40 percent) and expressed strong approval of local parks (68 percent).

"Some of the optimism in the region reflects the fact that people have good air quality, good job opportunities," Baldassare said. "Many people are in good economic shape compared to other parts of the county."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; la; laexodus; losangeles
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To: Clemenza

well I guess you'll have to ask DFU. Like I'm just a valley boy ...


21 posted on 03/17/2005 4:17:24 PM PST by Republicus2001 (C)
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To: ladylib
In Seattle they have been closing schools due to the 1. high cost of housing in the city pricing out young families with kids and 2. the trend of many cities or wealthy sections of cities being settled by Gays or DINKs (double income, no kids).

Personally, I jump for joy whenever I hear of a school closing.

22 posted on 03/17/2005 4:18:51 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: PRND21
Truth is, if one didn't get into the housing market three years ago, and isn't fabulously wealthy, home-ownership possibilities are pretty bleak.
 
I would love to move to Austin. Frankly, as much as I love it here (and, yes, there is plenty to love) sometimes I fear the less-than-stellar factors may eventually tip the scales -- for anyone not upper class. (Like the the third world, generally speaking.)

23 posted on 03/17/2005 4:18:53 PM PST by AnnaZ (><>Trust in Jesus. He's coming. Soon. He wants you to know that ALL is forgiven. Hebrews 11<><)
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To: BurbankKarl

Good. Leave. Maybe housing prices will finally start coming down after the same people now fleeing L.A. moved here and drove up the cost of everything.


24 posted on 03/17/2005 4:19:22 PM PST by MikeA
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To: L,TOWM
Good for you. It's always been a mystery to me why people will pay through the nose just to live in some locale considered "desirable" when there are many other places to go in this large, wonderful country.

I see that you have found yours. And Texas, too. Good choice.

25 posted on 03/17/2005 4:19:42 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Republicus2001

How's Ventura Boulevard these days? Haven't been down that way in almost 10 years (visiting freinds).


26 posted on 03/17/2005 4:19:48 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Clemenza

I don't commute to L.A. I walk about 40 feet out to my guest house.


27 posted on 03/17/2005 4:19:52 PM PST by doug from upland (Coming soon -- YOU'VE BEEN FREEPED, Vol. 1.; Biden and Kennedy won't like it)
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To: doug from upland

Actually, most folks I know who live in the Inland Empire (a scary name, IMHO) tend to work in the Inland Empire. Anyone who would commute to downtown LA or even Burbank from Riverside County, San Berdoo County, or Palmdale loves riding in their car a bit too much.


28 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:01 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: BurbankKarl
What a wonderful article. I encourage all unhappy Los Angeles residents to leave.

It is just awful here, get going while the going is good!

Please go!

I will just have to stay here and suffer the terrible warm weather, beaches and mountains by myself.

Really. It's OK. I can handle it. You go on now. Don't worry about us. We'll be OK.

No kidding.

29 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:05 PM PST by Nachum ( "Let everyone get a move on and take some hilltops! Whatever we take, will be ours- Ariel Sharon)
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To: L,TOWM

"I have one more week until the moving truck pulls up in front of my rented 850 sg ft crackerbox and hauls my stuff to the 3000 sg ft Texas home I bought on Sunday."

Good for you! Now don't get shot between now and then. ;)

I lived in the San Diego area in the 80's. It's was nuts back then, so I can only imagine what it's like today.

My Uncle lives about 2 hours outside of LA and commutes 4 hours a day. I don't know how he stands it, but he's a film guy for Hollywierd, so he's used to abuse.

But...what happens if everyone on the coast smartens up and moves inland? Ach. It's not my problem. I'll either be dead by then, or the Second Coming will have happened and all of our worries will be over, LOL!

Enjoy Texas, LTowm.


30 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:25 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: q_an_a

I beg to point out another fact on this "one way rental" stuff. We left CA last fall. Couldn't get a one-way RV out of the state. Know why? SMOG II regulations. SMOG II regulations ensure that every single truck, rv, u-haul, etc., NATIONWIDE can pass "SMOG II" regulations. Too darned expensive and problematic for most businesses.


31 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:50 PM PST by Alia
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To: Boardwalk
Friends of mine in a not so bad section have been mugged 3 times.

You know what they say...A "conservative" is simply a "liberal" who's been mugged. Maybe there's hope for LA.

32 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:52 PM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: BurbankKarl
Anecdotal evidence:

A year ago, I drove into San Diego, and I noticed that no UHauls were heading in the same direction as I was.

A month later when I left San Diego, I saw at least five UHauls heading eastbound on Interstate 8 out of San Diego.

33 posted on 03/17/2005 4:22:54 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: BurbankKarl

Hmmm, what happens when the majority of the people in LA are the welfare receivers? Who is going to pick up the tab?


34 posted on 03/17/2005 4:24:17 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: BurbankKarl
BTW: This story could've been written about New York City 25 years ago. There is still hope for LA.

New York magazine did a story a few years back about how the only folks who really wanted to leave NYC were the poor and "people of color" (Blacks and Latinos), while most of the white folk surveyed couldn't live anywhere else. In NYC, everyone pays the same high prices for everything, so you can't exactly live "high on the hog"if you are poor, an illegal, or a struggling student.

35 posted on 03/17/2005 4:24:55 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: BurbankKarl; NorCalRepub

Good.Let all the 3rd world immigrants illegals, LEAVE round up the gangbangers, Close the borders and California and LOS ANGELES will be the greatest place it was when I was a Kid growing up there.


36 posted on 03/17/2005 4:25:13 PM PST by missyme (The Cosmic Effect of some Freepers...)
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To: Boardwalk
Friends of mine in a not so bad section have been mugged 3 times.

Again, shades of New York in the 1970s/1980s.

37 posted on 03/17/2005 4:26:14 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: Nachum
Really. It's OK. I can handle it. You go on now. Don't worry about us. We'll be OK.

Cool! And the Red States will continue to pick off more of your Congressional seats over time as California loses people.

Eventually, California will be as irrelevant as Vermont on the national stage. Not that it already is irrelevant.

38 posted on 03/17/2005 4:26:28 PM PST by Vision Thing (The Surgeon General has determined that being Democrat is bad for your health.)
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To: McGavin999
Hmmm, what happens when the majority of the people in LA are the welfare receivers?

I gather that you've never been to Detroit, Newark or Camden.

39 posted on 03/17/2005 4:27:00 PM PST by Clemenza (Alcohol Tobacco & Firearms: The Other Holy Trinity)
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To: missyme

Yeah! And be sure to send all the east coasters packing too.

Oh, wait a sec ...

;-)


40 posted on 03/17/2005 4:27:33 PM PST by Betis70
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