Posted on 03/17/2005 5:55:22 AM PST by Jay777
REDLANDS The controversial cross on the city logo will come to a vote in November, the City Council decided Tuesday night. This month, the initiative to codify the 71-year-old city logo that includes a Christian cross qualified for the November ballot with over 4,500 verified signatures.
After hearing months of debates between Redlands citizens who believe using a cross on the logo is exclusionary and unconstitutional and those who say the logo represents the city's heritage, the council agreed that the only way to find a majority opinion is a vote.
The council could also have adopted the ordinance or delayed their decision by commissioning a staff report on the ordinance's impact.
"I support the motion," Council Member Jon Harrison said. "I think it's the best option to put this to bed sometime in future."
In March 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union threatened the city with a lawsuit, saying the use of the cross violated the constitution's establishment clause. The council responded by authorizing the removal of crosses on logos that adorned city buildings, letterhead and vehicles.
Since then, grassroots coalitions have lobbied the city to fight the ACLU, seen by many as a bully trying to push an anti-religious agenda.
"They will continue their revisionist tactics, striving to force the position of the few on all," the Rev. Don Wallace, representing the Save Redlands' Seal Executive Committee, said Tuesday. "Now is the time to stand and resist this agenda and Redlands is the opportunity. Our Constitution, our history demands nothing less. Yes, freedom is worth fighting for."
Resident Scott Siegel, who pioneered the initiative, obtaining more than 5,900 signatures with a handful of collectors, was pleased with the council's decision...
(Excerpt) Read more at redlandsdailyfacts.com ...
Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org
Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org
American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org
The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/
Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org
Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:
ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas
ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits
ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd
Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit
Additional information:
The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back
Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')
ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings
See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU
This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members
The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)
American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy
"I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produced the wealth: communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, Harvard Reunion Book, 1935
"The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on." - William Z. Foster, ACLU co-founder and former chairman, Communist Party USA.
Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list
its irrelevant what they vote for in California, a judge will decide for them
If it were up to me (and it should be!), I'd adopt a new seal and the seal itself would be in the shape of The Cross.
I'm happy to see all these organizations fighting the ACLU, but I wonder if it would be better if they all joined together.
Why do people continue the provincial practice of not even giving readers a clue as to what state they're talking about? Or country even...
"Sacramento" will have to be changed, as it means the Blessed Sacrament of the Catholic religion. All the names of saints will have to change.
The Christian haters have the ACLU, athiests, secularists, relative moralists and courts on their side. God has GOT to go.
Has anybody told the A.C.L.U. that the first quarter of the Hawaii state flag contains not one but three Christian crosses?
Noting the long cordial relations between the U.K. and Hawaii the then Kingdom of Hawaii added the Union Flag. The Union Flag is comprised of the Crosses of St. George, St. Andrew, and St. Patrick. The first derives from the pious myth that when St. George was martyred his blood poured out and formed the shape of a cross on the ground (and thus is a red cross on white background); the second dates from just before a battle between the Scots and English, the former seeing a cloud formation in the shape of a saltire believed that St. Andrew was going to assist them (thus a white diagonal cross on blue background); the final cross has no such romantic history, but was added in 1801 when Ireland joined the Union, as the cross of St. Patrick it represents Ireland and their Patron Saint.
Can we contribute to this group?
Do you know any contact info?
Would like to contribute to their cause.
It's also always good when a poster adds some small clue as to where, for example, "Redlands" might be.
I gather it's in the U.S., probably in the Lower 48...
Don't you some times wonder if there isn't anything the aclu likes about our country?
Sorry, this is in California!
I agree. Didn't Cali. recently vote not to give license's to illegals and a judge over turned it? Didn't they also vote on no marriages between gays and a judge over turn it? I think there are a few more they things they voted against but a judge over turned them.
If this is true, why do they vote if it's just going to be over turned by a judge?
Why do people continue the provincial practice of not even giving readers a clue as to what state they're talking about?
Those would probably be the people who have read it dozens of times from dozens of sources and posted it so many times that they just NATURALLY assume we know. I know Redland California isn't as well known as Tulsa, Dallas or Seattle but it has been in the news for that past several months.
or even country...
Does the ACLU operate in any other country?
I think that one of the big "anti-ACLU" forces should take the bull-by-the-horns approach and get alot of these organizations under the same umbrella...a much bigger and stronger presence would benefit the fight.
The enemy is highly organized and well-funded...but we've got to fight to protect what is right!!
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