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Citizens will decide on Nov. 8 whether to support the cross and take on ACLU
Redlands News ^ | March 16, 2005 | ANDREA FEATHERS

Posted on 03/17/2005 5:55:22 AM PST by Jay777

REDLANDS The controversial cross on the city logo will come to a vote in November, the City Council decided Tuesday night. This month, the initiative to codify the 71-year-old city logo that includes a Christian cross qualified for the November ballot with over 4,500 verified signatures.

After hearing months of debates between Redlands citizens who believe using a cross on the logo is exclusionary and unconstitutional and those who say the logo represents the city's heritage, the council agreed that the only way to find a majority opinion is a vote.

The council could also have adopted the ordinance or delayed their decision by commissioning a staff report on the ordinance's impact.

"I support the motion," Council Member Jon Harrison said. "I think it's the best option to put this to bed sometime in future."

In March 2004, the American Civil Liberties Union threatened the city with a lawsuit, saying the use of the cross violated the constitution's establishment clause. The council responded by authorizing the removal of crosses on logos that adorned city buildings, letterhead and vehicles.

Since then, grassroots coalitions have lobbied the city to fight the ACLU, seen by many as a bully trying to push an anti-religious agenda.

"They will continue their revisionist tactics, striving to force the position of the few on all," the Rev. Don Wallace, representing the Save Redlands' Seal Executive Committee, said Tuesday. "Now is the time to stand and resist this agenda and Redlands is the opportunity. Our Constitution, our history demands nothing less. Yes, freedom is worth fighting for."

Resident Scott Siegel, who pioneered the initiative, obtaining more than 5,900 signatures with a handful of collectors, was pleased with the council's decision...

(Excerpt) Read more at redlandsdailyfacts.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: churchandstate; mars
It is always good when the people are given voice to stand up to the elitist positions the ACLU tries to push on them!
1 posted on 03/17/2005 5:55:23 AM PST by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; ApesForEvolution; EdReform; ...
Ping! This is up at my blog too.
2 posted on 03/17/2005 5:57:24 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777
If the predominantly Christian town wants a cross they have a right to keep a cross. If the town was Jewish, they have the right to keep a star of David.
3 posted on 03/17/2005 5:57:56 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: All
You can join the fight against the ACLU and their ilk by becoming involved with and supporting the following organizations:

Alliance Defense Fund (ADF) - http://www.alliancedefensefund.org

Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) - http://www.thomasmore.org

American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) - http://www.aclj.org

The Rutherford Institute - http://www.rutherford.org/

Stop the ACLU Coalition (GREATLY ORGANIZED ACTIVIST SITE..PLEASE JOIN) - http://www.stoptheaclu.org


Here are a few examples of how two of those organizations are fighting back:

ADF Contacts Over 3,600 School Districts Over Attempts To Censor Christmas

ADF: 700 lawyers ready to fight ACLU lawsuits

ADF: Pentagons' Warning About Boyscouts Is Absurd

Thomas More Law Center: Town of Palm Beach Pays $50,000 In Attorney Fees Apologizes To Women In Nativity Lawsuit


Additional information:

The ACLU must be destroyed: Joseph Farah supports Boy Scouts, urges Americans to fight back

Citizens mobilized to stop ACLU (seeks to consign group to 'ash heap of history')

ACLU fulfilling communist agenda

Revealing FACTS on the ACLU from its own writings

See how YOUR Senator or Representative ranks with the ACLU

This yahoo group just started on December 3, 2004 and is looking for new members

Anti-ACLU Page

The Center For Reclaiming America (petitions to congress)

The Becket Fund

Christian Legal Society

Pacific Justice Institute

Landmark Legal Foundation

American Family Assn. Center for Law and Policy

The Liberty Council

ACLU-Watch

ACLU (Know Thine Enemy)

My personal Anti-ACLU Blog


"I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class, and sole control of those who produced the wealth: communism is the goal." - Roger Baldwin, ACLU founder, Harvard Reunion Book, 1935


"The establishment of an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests, mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on." - William Z. Foster, ACLU co-founder and former chairman, Communist Party USA.


Let me know if you would like to join my ACLU ping list


4 posted on 03/17/2005 5:58:04 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: Jay777

its irrelevant what they vote for in California, a judge will decide for them


5 posted on 03/17/2005 5:59:15 AM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

If it were up to me (and it should be!), I'd adopt a new seal and the seal itself would be in the shape of The Cross.


6 posted on 03/17/2005 6:03:40 AM PST by whereasandsoforth
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To: Jay777

I'm happy to see all these organizations fighting the ACLU, but I wonder if it would be better if they all joined together.


7 posted on 03/17/2005 6:06:22 AM PST by Gosh I love this neighborhood
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To: Jay777
Free Republic is a forum visited by people worldwide.

Why do people continue the provincial practice of not even giving readers a clue as to what state they're talking about? Or country even...

8 posted on 03/17/2005 6:08:35 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are ignorance, stupidity and hydrogen)
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To: Jay777
The cross will have to go.
Anything CHRISTIAN has to go. It's not the Muslims who are behind this, either, though they are often blamed. Jesus, according to the Koran, IS the Son of God, and son of Virgin Mary. Jesus is revered as a prophet in that book. But, the Christian haters will blame them. It's not them; it's the Christian hating athlests, secularists and left wing Democrats who want nothing spiritual in the government. They want GOD out of the picture entirely.

"Sacramento" will have to be changed, as it means the Blessed Sacrament of the Catholic religion. All the names of saints will have to change.

The Christian haters have the ACLU, athiests, secularists, relative moralists and courts on their side. God has GOT to go.

9 posted on 03/17/2005 6:14:19 AM PST by starfish923
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Has anybody told the A.C.L.U. that the first quarter of the Hawaii state flag contains not one but three Christian crosses?

Noting the long cordial relations between the U.K. and Hawaii the then Kingdom of Hawaii added the Union Flag. The Union Flag is comprised of the Crosses of St. George, St. Andrew, and St. Patrick. The first derives from the pious myth that when St. George was martyred his blood poured out and formed the shape of a cross on the ground (and thus is a red cross on white background); the second dates from just before a battle between the Scots and English, the former seeing a cloud formation in the shape of a saltire believed that St. Andrew was going to assist them (thus a white diagonal cross on blue background); the final cross has no such romantic history, but was added in 1801 when Ireland joined the Union, as the cross of St. Patrick it represents Ireland and their Patron Saint.


10 posted on 03/17/2005 6:43:11 AM PST by tjwmason (For he himself has said, and it's greatly to his credit, he remains an Englishman.)
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To: Jay777

Can we contribute to this group?

Do you know any contact info?

Would like to contribute to their cause.


11 posted on 03/17/2005 6:44:40 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: Jay777

It's also always good when a poster adds some small clue as to where, for example, "Redlands" might be.

I gather it's in the U.S., probably in the Lower 48...


12 posted on 03/17/2005 6:48:37 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Jay777
Thanks, I have posted this on todays update of Christian-news-in-maine.com

Don't you some times wonder if there isn't anything the aclu likes about our country?

13 posted on 03/17/2005 7:01:03 AM PST by newsgatherer
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To: Redbob

Sorry, this is in California!


14 posted on 03/17/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.blogspot.com)
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To: sure_fine
its irrelevant what they vote for in California, a judge will decide for them

I agree. Didn't Cali. recently vote not to give license's to illegals and a judge over turned it? Didn't they also vote on no marriages between gays and a judge over turn it? I think there are a few more they things they voted against but a judge over turned them.

If this is true, why do they vote if it's just going to be over turned by a judge?

15 posted on 03/17/2005 10:28:44 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Publius6961

Why do people continue the provincial practice of not even giving readers a clue as to what state they're talking about?

Those would probably be the people who have read it dozens of times from dozens of sources and posted it so many times that they just NATURALLY assume we know. I know Redland California isn't as well known as Tulsa, Dallas or Seattle but it has been in the news for that past several months.

or even country...

Does the ACLU operate in any other country?


16 posted on 03/17/2005 1:58:08 PM PST by loboinok (Gun Control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Gosh I love this neighborhood

I think that one of the big "anti-ACLU" forces should take the bull-by-the-horns approach and get alot of these organizations under the same umbrella...a much bigger and stronger presence would benefit the fight.
The enemy is highly organized and well-funded...but we've got to fight to protect what is right!!


17 posted on 03/20/2005 4:00:10 PM PST by FlashBack (www.teamamericapac.org)
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