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To: ExSoldier

I've been through a lot of FEMA courses and disaster training in my ARES group which used to be a part of the Arlington Fire Department.

The least effective threat is chemical. The next worst is nukes [still localized and detectable.] The worst by far is BIO [You don't know you've been hit until it's too late..massive casualties, no cures, and massive panic.]

Think like a terrorist. Chemical is the least effective, hardest to deliver, and least spectacular.

IOW, think nukes/bio/conventional or a combination of all 4 including chem, but chem alone is no threat IMO. Keep thinking nukes/bio....


129 posted on 03/06/2005 6:15:19 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie
Bioweapons are by far most capable of wiping out the entire human race. Did you ever see or read Steven King's The Stand? Genetically engineered influenza virus got loose and killed 99% of the planet's human population.

Imagine some type of viral hemorrhagic fever (similar to Ebola) with a 60-90 day incubation period and a 80-90% mortality rate. The stuff of nightmares. The long incubation period ensures rapid spreading on a planetary level. Even a mortality rate of 30% would kill millions.

I heard or read somewhere the the only thing that keeps some of these viral hemorrhagic fevers contained is that they kill too quickly. To me, that is a scary statement.

OPNION AND PURE SPECULATION ON MY PART:
I don't see that level of destruction in scripture until the last 3 1/2 years of the tribulation.
130 posted on 03/06/2005 6:41:24 PM PST by appalachian_dweller (Psalms 55:22 - Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee)
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To: Indie
Indie, I respectfully disagree. I'm speaking as a graduate of the US Army's Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare School. Given the right dispersal techniques and the proper climatic conditions, a nerve agent attack would give the terrorists what they so desperately seek: Near instantaneous mass casualties. It could be persistent for up to three or more days; meaning that anybody who touched contaminated surfaces (anything: flora, man made...anything) and not protected in MOPP 4 will die. Terrorists NEED more than anything that photo op and the sound bite. A Bio attack may come as a follow on attack, but it will take time to spool up and be uncertain enough for authorities to be able to pan it off as a natural occurrence like the Bird Flu or SARS or whatever. This would deny the TANGO'S their moment of glory in striking the Great Satan. I agree that a nuke is the ultimate nightmare I mean a real device not a so called "dirty bomb."

But a chemical attack can be easily rigged (hook up chemical mines in series and plant upwind of a county fair--detonate on command). Chemical mines come with instructions done in pictogram's so that this soviet HORROR can be set up by any uneducated commie pawn anywhere in the world. It is as easy as can be. Or set up an attack via an industrial fire extinguisher from the top of a very tall building. This scenario would require training, and access, and a suicide attacker because as soon as the pressure is released into the atmosphere, the person doing so is the first to die, unless he's in MOPP 4 gear. But given a warm muggy day, and a gentle breeze over downtown and you could generate an effective downwind drift sufficient to cover most of downtown Miami, Florida (my home). We are just now coming into the prime season for such an attack.

Chemical munitions are easy to come by. The former USSR and it's satellites have thousands of the things languishing in almost unguarded warehouses all over the world. They look innocuous, like home plate for a baseball team, just a bit thicker, but still plastic. They are binary in nature so the contents are inert until mixed before dispersal. There has already been such an attack in Baghdad last year. Somebody tried to set off an IED by detonating an artillery shell that was a BINARY SARIN shell, but it failed to properly mix. A dedicated cell with the training and a specific target will have trained to overcome that problem.

Just how are you going to decontaminate a forty story building in the dry season? Even if you get your rain shower, how are you going to prevent the deadliest substances known to man (VX Nerve Agent) from leaking into the ground water and contaminating the aquifer? DECON is easy: Hot soapy water but you still have to contain the runoff of contaminated water so it doesn't soak into the earth. Everything touched must be decontaminated: Personnel, vehicles, aircraft, buildings, everything. There are still spots in FRANCE that hold trace amounts of a BLISTER agent (Mustard Gas) left over from the FIRST World War! A chemical attack, no matter how effective or not would undeniably show the world that another 911 had occurred. But a bio attack can be plausibly denied whether or not it succeeds. Think like a terrorist? You bet!

131 posted on 03/06/2005 6:57:25 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Indie

The only A.R.E. group I ever belonged to was Edgar Cayce ;)


196 posted on 03/07/2005 11:37:03 AM PST by JustPiper (NoE-the Enemy !!!)
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