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College-level grammar lost on college students
The Digital Collegian (Penn State) ^ | Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 | Jen Winberry

Posted on 02/25/2005 11:29:26 AM PST by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

There are some things I just do not understand, and I am at a point where I have given up on figuring out many of these puzzlers.

But there are still some conundrums I am determined to solve.

For the life of me I cannot understand how it is that we have reached this level in our academic careers and we still cannot speak proper English.

We have all taken at least seven years of secondary English classes prior to coming to Penn State, and once we are here, we must take a minimum of two more classes. These courses, in addition to the primary schooling we receive and the out-of-class interaction we have with other people, should provide ample opportunity to learn, if not master, this language of ours.

I have to admit, I do find it humorous when people try to speak correctly and fail miserably. I had a friend who would say phrases such as, "If you have problems, come see Heather or I."

At the time, I never had the guts to correct her, but now in a public forum I will.

My friend should tell people to see "Heather and me," because if we were to remove Heather, my friend would not say "come see I," she would say "come see me."

I also hear people say, "Heather and me went to the movies."

Once again, without Heather, I doubt "me went to the movies." While you may think I am just an anal grammar prick, I am just tired of hearing Penn Staters sound like morons.

Critics will say students here are highly intelligent.

Yet on a daily basis I am inundated with examples proving otherwise.

For example, take the word "ignorant."

Now those who have actually picked up a dictionary know the word means lacking education or knowledge.

Chances are, if you have made it to college you have picked up a dictionary at least once, which is why I cannot understand for the life of me why people insist on using this word to mean "rude."

I hear phrases such as, "Gosh, he is so ignorant.

How could he even say that to you" all the time, but now that everyone is clear on the true meaning of the word ignorant, the next time I hear this statement, the "he" in question better be showing a lack of knowledge.

As much as I do not like misuse of the word ignorant, there are several things that irk me more. One of them includes our good friend, Mr. Supposedly. This guy just tries to live a normal life like any other word and then we come along and try to hook him up with Ms. Supposebly.

Now this would be great if "supposebly" were actually in the English lexicon. In fact, it is not, and it is a sorry excuse for the pronunciation of Mr. Supposedly.

And there is no convincing me that I am wrong or that this mistake is not that big of a deal; Chandler broke up with a girl for doing the same thing.

The common problems I hear do not always have to do with people making up words or mispronouncing ones that actually exist.

One thing to which I have really taken a notice lately is the overuse of the word "like."

It is one thing to "like" a boy or live "like" royalty, but it is quite another to, "Like, oh my gosh, did you like, hear like, what like he said to her?"

Now let's examine this for a second. Would anyone ever actually write that out on paper? No. So if you wouldn't write it out on paper, why would you say it aloud?

Amy Heckerling's 1995 hit Clueless introduced our generation to this horrible word, and ever since we have not been able to let go of it.

While it may have been trendy to use "like" in between each word back then, now it just makes the speaker look like a fool.

Imagine this: You graduate from Penn State and go out into the real world to a job interview.

The interviewer begins by asking you a few questions about your background and previous experience.

Now, do you honestly think the interviewer will hire a perceivably ditzy chica who used the words "like" and "you know" as often as it rains in State College?

Or will he or she choose a perceivably intelligent young lass who is well-spoken and articulate.

I think the answer is clear.

While this hypothetical situation may be several years off for many students here, it really is never too early to start looking to the future. Old habits have the tendency to die hard, and it will take a while to shake those old ways.

The future will look brighter though, and I am sure your professors and anal retentive English geek friends will appreciate the effort, too.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: education; englisheducation; grammar; language; psu
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To: sine_nomine; lepton; Lijahsbubbe; aculeus; dighton
"The Pope is laying in the hospital bed..." (!?)

Either he's not that sick and has no business being the Pope, or somebody is lying!

181 posted on 02/25/2005 6:12:01 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Kretek
Like wow. Some people have been, like doing it, since like nineteen fifty-nine.


182 posted on 02/25/2005 6:15:22 PM PST by Graymatter (There are times when the Rule of Law needs an override.)
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To: elli1
Do you mean someone like Hillary Clinton, hired by the voters of the state of New York to represent them in the United States Senate and who used 'you know' twenty-eight times, by my count, in her appearance on Meet the Press last Sunday???

Hillary is speaking correctly to her voting constituents.

183 posted on 02/25/2005 6:15:57 PM PST by Major_Risktaker
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To: MamaTexan
why, when one uses a broom, isn't it called 'brooming'?

Because a "broom" used to be called a "besom", and one does properly speak of "besoming".

184 posted on 02/25/2005 6:17:47 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: firebrand
I can speak authoritatively that "like" as an interjection or "noise word" was very common amongst the "beatniks" in the fifties.

I was there, and they used it, like, every other word, man.

185 posted on 02/25/2005 6:19:54 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: sine_nomine

Among disseminators of what passes for news, the one thing that really annoys me is how they use the word "got" so often and where it really isn't appropriate.
Just the other night, I counted it used seven times in one short between the commercial spate.


186 posted on 02/25/2005 6:21:21 PM PST by MIgramma (FEAR= False Evidence Alleged Real)
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To: Graymatter

Like cool, daddy-o. Right-eous.


187 posted on 02/25/2005 6:23:22 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Thinkin' Gal

!!!


188 posted on 02/25/2005 6:25:12 PM PST by ken21 ( warning: a blood bath when rehnquist, et al retire. >hang w dubya.< dems want 2 divide us.)
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To: Puppage
Listen to Hannity's Man on The Street interviews.

Yeah, I'll dust off grandpappy's A&M radio and do that.

189 posted on 02/25/2005 6:29:03 PM PST by humblegunner
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To: ken21
!!!

Precisely. Or should that be exactly? Somebody might even drop in here to say that he could care less. :-/

190 posted on 02/25/2005 6:29:42 PM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: chs68
Well, I had two years of Latin, but I believe my time in the military and experience in the trucking business did more to enrich my vocabulary than Latin did.

And my favorite Latin phrase is the one Mike Royko used to describe the slogan of the Chicago City Council - Ubi Mea?

191 posted on 02/25/2005 6:29:54 PM PST by Bernard ("Those weren't lies - that was spin!")
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
[While you may think I am just an anal grammar prick, I am just tired of hearing Penn Staters sound like morons.] I agree. Unfortunately, even this article, though free of grammar errors, is hardly a polished piece of writing.

Yeah, that line really jumped out at me, too. For someone claiming to be so high-and-mighty in the realm of grammatical and syntactical mastery, that's a pretty barbaric use of the Queen's English.

192 posted on 02/25/2005 6:35:43 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Energizer45678

"Not to mention the constant use of a voice inflection at the end of every statement that makes the speaker sound as if he or she is asking a question."

Oh. You're talking about "upspeak"? Where every sentence sounds like a question? How stupid kids and local yokels on talk radio go?"

"So this guy goes like "hey?"
"And I go, like, f* off? y'know?"

Yeah. A real treat to listen to.


193 posted on 02/25/2005 6:41:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Willie Green

INTREP - Education [or, the lack there of] - S&T


194 posted on 02/25/2005 9:50:13 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: Willie Green

I have a co-worker on the Customer Service Desk of our software company who constantly uses the word "lie-berry" when talking to our customers. It drives me crazy everytime I hear him say it.


195 posted on 02/25/2005 9:52:51 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: Willie Green
And we have lost the use of the adverb..."Drive slow" instead of "Drive slowly"...etc

And whatever happened to the phrase "You are welcome" - standard response to "Thank you" - replaced by "Thank you."

196 posted on 02/25/2005 9:55:18 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: MIgramma

How about - bottom line?


197 posted on 02/25/2005 10:01:13 PM PST by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: guitfiddlist

Eliza Dushku Interview

"'My heart breaks. I remember throwing a Popsicle stick in my now-best friend's hair because all the cool girls in school were like, 'Throw this Popsicle stick in her hair.' I was like, 'I can't, she was my friend.' I just didn't know what to do. All the cool girls were like, 'Do it, do it, do it.' I did it and to this day it makes me want to cry. To this day I'm like, 'Allison, I'm so, so sorry I did that to you in the lunchroom in 7th grade.' But it was like the moment where I was just…It's high school, man. "

http://romanticmovies.about.com/library/weekly/aa050202b.htm


198 posted on 02/25/2005 10:04:26 PM PST by sine_nomine (Protect the weakest of the weak - the unborn babies.)
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To: Graybeard58
I'll consult my baby on that one.

Knowing the lady, I expect she'll have something VERY interesting to say.

;^)

199 posted on 02/26/2005 12:10:48 AM PST by SAJ
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To: MamaTexan

If one uses a vacuum to vacuum and a mop to mop,

why, when one uses a broom, isn't it called 'brooming'?>>>>>


If using a hammer is called "hammering" why isn't the use of a screw driver called, aw just forget it.


200 posted on 02/26/2005 6:28:46 AM PST by RipSawyer ("Embed" Michael Moore with the 82nd airborne.)
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