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College-level grammar lost on college students
The Digital Collegian (Penn State) ^ | Friday, Feb. 25, 2005 | Jen Winberry

Posted on 02/25/2005 11:29:26 AM PST by Willie Green

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There are some things I just do not understand, and I am at a point where I have given up on figuring out many of these puzzlers.

But there are still some conundrums I am determined to solve.

For the life of me I cannot understand how it is that we have reached this level in our academic careers and we still cannot speak proper English.

We have all taken at least seven years of secondary English classes prior to coming to Penn State, and once we are here, we must take a minimum of two more classes. These courses, in addition to the primary schooling we receive and the out-of-class interaction we have with other people, should provide ample opportunity to learn, if not master, this language of ours.

I have to admit, I do find it humorous when people try to speak correctly and fail miserably. I had a friend who would say phrases such as, "If you have problems, come see Heather or I."

At the time, I never had the guts to correct her, but now in a public forum I will.

My friend should tell people to see "Heather and me," because if we were to remove Heather, my friend would not say "come see I," she would say "come see me."

I also hear people say, "Heather and me went to the movies."

Once again, without Heather, I doubt "me went to the movies." While you may think I am just an anal grammar prick, I am just tired of hearing Penn Staters sound like morons.

Critics will say students here are highly intelligent.

Yet on a daily basis I am inundated with examples proving otherwise.

For example, take the word "ignorant."

Now those who have actually picked up a dictionary know the word means lacking education or knowledge.

Chances are, if you have made it to college you have picked up a dictionary at least once, which is why I cannot understand for the life of me why people insist on using this word to mean "rude."

I hear phrases such as, "Gosh, he is so ignorant.

How could he even say that to you" all the time, but now that everyone is clear on the true meaning of the word ignorant, the next time I hear this statement, the "he" in question better be showing a lack of knowledge.

As much as I do not like misuse of the word ignorant, there are several things that irk me more. One of them includes our good friend, Mr. Supposedly. This guy just tries to live a normal life like any other word and then we come along and try to hook him up with Ms. Supposebly.

Now this would be great if "supposebly" were actually in the English lexicon. In fact, it is not, and it is a sorry excuse for the pronunciation of Mr. Supposedly.

And there is no convincing me that I am wrong or that this mistake is not that big of a deal; Chandler broke up with a girl for doing the same thing.

The common problems I hear do not always have to do with people making up words or mispronouncing ones that actually exist.

One thing to which I have really taken a notice lately is the overuse of the word "like."

It is one thing to "like" a boy or live "like" royalty, but it is quite another to, "Like, oh my gosh, did you like, hear like, what like he said to her?"

Now let's examine this for a second. Would anyone ever actually write that out on paper? No. So if you wouldn't write it out on paper, why would you say it aloud?

Amy Heckerling's 1995 hit Clueless introduced our generation to this horrible word, and ever since we have not been able to let go of it.

While it may have been trendy to use "like" in between each word back then, now it just makes the speaker look like a fool.

Imagine this: You graduate from Penn State and go out into the real world to a job interview.

The interviewer begins by asking you a few questions about your background and previous experience.

Now, do you honestly think the interviewer will hire a perceivably ditzy chica who used the words "like" and "you know" as often as it rains in State College?

Or will he or she choose a perceivably intelligent young lass who is well-spoken and articulate.

I think the answer is clear.

While this hypothetical situation may be several years off for many students here, it really is never too early to start looking to the future. Old habits have the tendency to die hard, and it will take a while to shake those old ways.

The future will look brighter though, and I am sure your professors and anal retentive English geek friends will appreciate the effort, too.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: education; englisheducation; grammar; language; psu
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To: SupplySider
I suppose calling something very unique is seen as making it more special than simply calling it different.

How can something be more or less unique? Unique means one of a kind. More one of a kind? Less one of a kind? If there are two of a kind then those two are not unique in any way unless they are a unique pair, in which as a pair they are not more or less unique than any other pair.

161 posted on 02/25/2005 2:48:28 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Willie Green
As much as I do not like misuse of the word ignorant, there are several things that irk me more. One of them includes our good friend, Mr. Supposedly. This guy just tries to live a normal life like any other word and then we come along and try to hook him up with Ms. Supposebly.

Haha!!

162 posted on 02/25/2005 2:50:04 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Willie Green

BTW, some FReepers really need to polish up their grammar too. Written mistakes are often worse than spoken ones.


163 posted on 02/25/2005 2:52:15 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: SupplySider
Unfortunately irregardless is not very unique. Its enough to make one nauseous.

Or rather...this is nauseous -- it's enough to make one nauseated. ;>)

164 posted on 02/25/2005 2:53:48 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: SupplySider
Hopefully, I was at most nauseated and not actually nauseous, either. :)

Webster's says nauseous can be used to mean what most people use it to mean, and I agree. Also http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-nau1.htm.

165 posted on 02/25/2005 3:01:39 PM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Xenalyte

My pet peeves are "enormity" to mean "large", rather than "evil", and "on accident" - the opposite of "on purpose".


166 posted on 02/25/2005 3:09:19 PM PST by obnogs
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To: Willie Green

Hey what up? What be's wrong wif my English?


167 posted on 02/25/2005 3:12:58 PM PST by JarheadFromFlorida (Ooorahhhh........Get Some! Semper Fi')
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To: Graybeard58

"...I always have a fear that I will make a grammatical error myself or an error in punctuation or spelling."


Then you might appreciate this little ditty I picked up along the way somewhere, which addresses one of my pet peeves:

The possessive of it is just its
But its usage gives people the fits.
They expect to see
An apostrophe.
But you shorten it is when it's it's.


168 posted on 02/25/2005 3:15:02 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: Energizer45678
I recently heard a tiny little tot on the bus talking in perfect Valley Girl, complete with the "awesome," and the rising inflection (a sick form of pseudo-humility), and the "like" used every other word (a copout word, so you don't have to actually mean what you say).

Help. The Valley Girls are now raising children!

169 posted on 02/25/2005 3:28:33 PM PST by firebrand
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To: RexBeach
Amy Heckerling's 1995 hit Clueless introduced our generation to this horrible word, and ever since we have not been able to let go of it.

Methinks it was around for more than a decade before that.

170 posted on 02/25/2005 3:32:26 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: sine_nomine
"The Pope is laying in the hospital bed..."

Well that's because if they said he was lying in the hospital bed, half of them would cite it as proof he was telling falsehoods. ;)

171 posted on 02/25/2005 3:39:13 PM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: arthurus
I don't think "like" goes back as far as the fifties in the current usage. "She was like" in place of "she goes," for the even older "she says," had been around for quite a while before I first saw it in a novel: Ann Tyler's The Accidental Tourist.
172 posted on 02/25/2005 3:41:12 PM PST by firebrand
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To: MEG33
It's like, you know, I hate it when,like, people don't know how to spell lose. They spell it loose...you know?

Yeah, they sound like a buncha loosers. :^)

173 posted on 02/25/2005 3:46:17 PM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: Lazamataz

"I am so smart. I am so smart. S M R T... I mean S M A R T." - Homer Simpson


174 posted on 02/25/2005 3:49:59 PM PST by VetoBill (Who is the actor that plays Dan Rather?)
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To: guitfiddlist

Totally. ;)


175 posted on 02/25/2005 3:57:35 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: petitfour
Well, you know, she went to Wellesley, you know, and Yale Law School.

When I took courses at Wellesley (MIT/Wellesley had an exchange program), the ValleySpeak was everywhere - but with an elitist snobbery tacked on to it. "Like, I'm SUUUrreee....TOTally....no WAAAAayyyy", or "It's like because of the patriarchyyyyyy...it's totally institutionaaalllll."

176 posted on 02/25/2005 3:57:36 PM PST by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: guitfiddlist

LOL..I am hearing it spoken as I read your post!


177 posted on 02/25/2005 4:01:56 PM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: DumpsterDiver

She also spoke the words 'Well, Tim' umpteen times. I have some extra time right now so let me do a re-cap for you. I counted 27 'you knows' so maybe I missed one or two. For brevity's sake, I have deleted a lot of Hillary's holy words...

haha...you are bad.

178 posted on 02/25/2005 5:19:00 PM PST by elli1
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To: arthurus

That is a pretty serious insult if you mean intellectually.

There are no wrong answers. Any way you chose to take it is correct.

179 posted on 02/25/2005 5:21:51 PM PST by elli1
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To: Willie Green
I live in central PA. Been here a few years, transplanted from NJ. I'll never get used to hearing---and reading---outrages like "should of went," "It don't," and double negatives ("It don't mean nothing.") I wince when somebody splits an infinitive.

But I do what I can. I homeschool.

180 posted on 02/25/2005 6:03:52 PM PST by Graymatter (There are times when the Rule of Law needs an override.)
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