Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

News4 Colorado ^ | 2/24/05 | Raj Chohan

[Fizzie]

Churchill Art Piece Called Into Question

by CBS4 News reporter Raj Chohan

Feb 24, 2005 8:03 pm US/Mountain BOULDER, Colo. (CBS4) Boulder County resident Duke Prentup has been a fan of native American art for as long as he can remember. That love of art took him to the home of Ward Churchill in the early 1980's, where Prentup bought several pieces of Churchill's art, including a serigraph titled "Winter Attack."

"I have enjoyed them ever since immensely, they're obviously up inside my house," Prentup said.

Last month came a stunning revelation, though, as as Prentup flipped through a 1972 book called The Mystic Warriors of the Plains written and illustrated by the late artist Thomas E. Mails. He found a sketch that was strikingly similar to the Churchill piece.

(Excerpt) See the rest of the article, and photo comparisons of the 2 pieces of art here: http://news4colorado.com/topstories/local_story_055200531.html

[Drango]

The male is Plate 3 (p. 35, my edition, also on cover)

(grin) The title of the work is "Cheyennes". Sleuth on!

[Royal Wulff]

Perhaps not directly copied. But if these were the source of his "inspiration" it may save trouble trying to track down an original.

[cyncooper]

I'm not seeing the similarities in the photos Royal presented.

I'll leave photo sleuthing to the rest of ye.

[zoyd]

#'s 518, 519, and 520 don't seem to be the basis for the Ward work. Given the lack of deviance from the original in Ward's other frauds, I'm pretty sure that these 3 pics weren't Ward's inspiration. Good effort, though.

[Drango]

Good job, and I agree if he got his "inspiration" from here the case is closed. However, as noted earlier in the thread, his other 3 examples of copyright fraud, are near identical copies. (Closer even than rathergate)I think that's what we would need if we wanted to show a violation.

[okie01]

The mirror image aspect was probably a result of placing the tracing face-down directly on the screen when the emulsion was burned.

Or of using a solid projector to project the image onto another surface...

[airborne]

He's not a paratrooper.

Can we push him out the door and make him one?

(And do we really need to give him a chute?)

[Miss Marple]

I have been on e-bay. One of the sellers (who has a piece which is a Sioux warrior seated on a horse and looks to be a repro of a photograph) lists the following places where Churchill has art in their collections:

Bureau of Indian Affairs
Bradley University, Peoria IL
Illinois State University
Illinois State Museum
Sioux Indian Museum
University of Colorado
Sangamon State University
Springfield Theater Gu9ild
Denver Art Museum
Red Cloud Indian School
Dept of Interior
US Park Service

I am going to each of these sites to see what I can find out.

[purpleland]

This is a *great* antiAmerican anarchist propaganda site -
Excerpt from http:www.akpress.org/2005:

Confronting The Crime Of Silence: Evidence Of US War Crimes In Indochina - Jean-Paul Sartre (Contributor), Gabriel Kolko (Contributor), Noam Chomsky (Contributor), Natsu Taylor Saito (Editor), and Ward Churchill (Editor)
[Natsu Taylor Saito is Churchill's current wife. She was formerly associated with Colorado University at Boulder.]
Churchill and Saito use source material from civilian,

Congressional and veterans organizations to examine America's systematic use of criminal behavior to acheive [sic]military victory. From Noam Chomsky to John Kerry, Jean-Paul Sartre to Gabriel Kolko, and from "free-fire zones" to Mai Lai, the "official" excuses are skewered.
Coming June 2005

[NOTE: "From Noam Chomsky to John Kerry..."]

[purpleland]

I have been on e-bay. One of the sellers (who has a piece which is a Sioux warrior seated on a horse and looks to be a repro of a photograph) lists the following places where Churchill has art in their collections:
Bureau of Indian Affairs
Bradley University, Peoria IL
Illinois State University
Illinois State Museum
Sioux Indian Museum
University of Colorado
Sangamon State University
Springfield Theater Gu9ild
Denver Art Museum
Red Cloud Indian School
Dept of Interior
US Park Service

I am going to each of these sites to see what I can find out.

***God's blessing and speed, Truth Seeker!

[Miss Marple]

Paintings and drawings by Ward Churchill are at the Arlene Hirschfelder Collection at (ta-da) the University of Arkansas at Little Rock!

[Stultis]

Here are some links for you photo sleuths (found here):

On Photographs & Photographic Archives

Posters of Edward S. Curtis photographs

American Historical Images On File: The Native American Experience 

American Indian Occupation of Alcatraz Island 

American Indians of the Pacific Northwest Digital Collection 

Benedicte Wrensted: An Idaho Photographer in Focus 

Colorado and Western History Photographs 

Dawn of a New Day , photograph collections at the Arizona State University Library

Early Photographers Of First Peoples In British Columbia 

Edward S. Curtis Photographs : The Cardozo Gallery

Edward S. Curtis's The North American Indian: Photographic Images 

from the Library of Congress

Gallery of the Open Frontier , University of Nebraska Press and the National Archives

Heritage Colorado People Photographs 

Hopi photographs of Adam Clark Vroman 

Images of the Indian Peoples of the Northern Great Plains 

Nancy Bellzona's Picture Book , 1896 Oklahoma

National Anthropological Archives 

Native American images at American Photochromes 

Native American Photographs : Nineteenth Century Images, Pitt Rivers Museum, University of Oxford

North American Indians , stereographs from the Keystone-Mast Collection

Panoramic photographs  from the National Archives, including one of a large group on Indians.

Photographs from the Union Pacific Railroad Archives 

Picture Collection Online  from the New York Public Library

Pictures of Indians in the United States , in the National Archives

Prints and Photographs Reading Room , Library of Congress

Reading Photographs  including :

Imaging and Imagining the Ghost Dance: James Mooney's Illustrations and Photographs, 1891-93 by Thomas W. Kavanagh

Reading Photographs by Thomas W. Kavanagh

on the examination of the Wanamaker Collection of American Indian photographs

Domestic Architecture in the Comanche Village on Medicine Creek, Indian Territory, Winter by Thomas W. Kavanagh

Reading Historic Photographs: Photographers of the Pawnee by Thomas W. Kavanagh

Richard Throssel: Photographer of the Crows  [Missing 3/15/04]

Selected Photographs  from the Helios exhibition at the National Museum of American Art

Smithsonian Photographs 

Southern California Indian Images - California Heritage Collection 

Southern California Indian Images - San Diego Historical Society 

Special Collections and Archives Department, Cline Library , Northern Arizona University

Visual Records Collections , British Columbia Archives

[Miss Marple]

Oh, how kind of you! This will keep me busy all weekend! LOL!

[supercat]

WAIT a minute! If the painting is original, it's original and NOT copied. A copyist cannot claim "originality". However, if its a painted copy or facsimile of an original, the copyist must credit the original artist - even if its a photographer. I know, because I sometimes use photos for my own "art models" - not having any live models at hand. However, I am not a copiest nor a duplicator. I use a figure or face in a photograph as a guide for proportion and gesture for my entirely original subject.

Outside of academic settings, is there any requirement to credit public domain works? To be sure, it's generally done, but if I paint a woman who looks like the Mona Lisa standing next to Abraham Lincoln, do I have to credit either Leonardo da Vinci or the original photographer?

[feefee]

place holder

[Dad yer funny]

yay,...YAAAY YAHOOOOOOO, did you just see that on Mr.Bill??

[Dad yer funny]

monday night O'Reilly

[Drango]

Heads up... O'Reilly just showed the tape on FOX and said they will have the full story Monday!

[Flyer]

I had it on, but wasn't paying attention.

????

[Dad yer funny]

yeah,...Monday night,...O'Reilly,...boy do I hope thery're gonna be thorough,...HEY,at least they're on it