THEY'RE HEERE (4-Star NYPost Review Praises Peter Jennings for Exposing Gov’t UFO Coverup)

NY Post ^ | February 23, 2005 | LINDA STASI

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WHY would a serious journalist like Peter Jennings tackle a silly subject like UFOs? Maybe it's because 40 million Americans can't be wrong. It turns out that 40 million of us have claimed to have seen UFOs, while half — yes, half — of all Americans believe in their existence… < snip >

So, why, if millions of people have seen UFOs, are the eyewitnesses immediately reduced to the level of raving loonies (from "lunar")? Interestingly enough, that is the legacy of another successful government PR campaign…< snip >

The feds thought they could keep a lid on UFO sightings and keep a budding worldwide panic under control by making witnesses look crazy. Yes, it seems you could fool all of the people all of the time… < snip >

Good for Jennings for reaching for the stars!

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I am just interested in how you support your premise of an extra terrestrial/Satan pact?
I know of no Scripture that can support such a claim.

Check out Gary Bates work on the subject.

[ReagansRaiders]

They're really time machines from the future. One crashed in my backyard when I was 12 and I found its flux capacitor. They're not really aliens, just evolved humans looking for good DNA to revive the human race after the Eugenics Wars decimated everything and turned us all into Carville-clones.

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I was kind of goaded into my mocking mode, which is never very difficult to do.

I don't believe that we have been visited by alien civilizations. I would like to see some proof before I do believe that.

I happen to believe that limitations imposed by time and space preclude actual physical contact with an alien civilization, but would welcome proof that I am in error. If contact is as wide-ranging and verifiable as some UFOlogists assert, I don't think a sliver of incontrovertible evidence is an unreasonable request.

I do hold out hope for some contact with an alien intelligence, though I believe that, if it does occur, the same limits of time and space will make that conversation distinctly one-sided. We will detect some alien communications by a long since dead civilization amongst themselves, and will attempt to respond. And in a few hundred million years, some other civilization may hear our response, but our existence as a species will have long since flickered out by then.

I think our universe is likely teeming with intelligent life, each existing in its own little bubble of time and space, with little hope of meaningful conversation outside that circle.

But of course, I could be wrong.

[ASA Vet]

My post was in reference to the SR-71.
One of them did not crash in your backyard, and they didn't have a flux capacitor.

If 90% of the human race survived your eugenics war they'd not need our primitive DNA.

[Macklew]

The universe is just too big to only contain one planet of intelligent life....

What planet is that?

[Sunshine55]

Please add me to your UFO ping list :)

[Frank_Discussion]

"I was kind of goaded into my mocking mode, which is never very difficult to do."

Hey, but then you wouldn't be you! That would be most unfortunate. :)

"I don't believe that we have been visited by alien civilizations. I would like to see some proof before I do believe that."

I would say I don't believe that we have NOT been visited. All I know is that one can't logically dismiss the notion since they haven't personally seen a visitation.

"I happen to believe that limitations imposed by time and space preclude actual physical contact with an alien civilization, but would welcome proof that I am in error."

Imagine that it's the early 1940's, and there is this theory that there is something called an atomic chain reaction. Far out stuff being presented by a German Jewish expatriate to the President. You believe it's a fantasy - would you have been right or wrong? Prior to the Trinity blast, or Hiroshima, right or wrong is a matter of belief on YOUR part, not the scientists at Alamogordo. That's where FTL propulsion is at this point, but without an apparent government crash program to develop it, a la the Manhattan project. The first work by a Dr. Alcubierre opened the theoretical basis of warp drive physics, and in the ensuing decade it has been under refinement. Real stuff, admittedly exotic, but quite real. Will warp drives be developed by humanity in our lifetimes? Who knows? But it is a sure bet that science is beginning to realize for the umpteenth time that barriers are meant to be broken. FTL travel is just another nut to crack.

"If contact is as wide-ranging and verifiable as some UFOlogists assert, I don't think a sliver of incontrovertible evidence is an unreasonable request."

Sometimes proof requires development. Sometimes proof is denied. I have not seen a platypus, except in pictures, but I don't feel I can wholesale deny the existence of the baffling creatures. Then again, I don't have to believe in absurdities that spring up like sown-together animals from a freak show, either. Once again, balance.

Once again, my philosophy is that our universe is not simply broken down into the physics we "understand" today or into some sort of pop-fiction notion of otherworldly things we can't yet truly know.

I'm very interested in what Petah Jennings has to say, but i suspect it will be merely entertainment. And it'll be Bush's fault! ;)

[MoochPooch]

At a recent database demonstration a co-worker used a website on UFOs as part of her presentation. I casually joked, "Research for the lunatic fringe."

Shortly later this person, who is noticeably eccentric, e-mailed me a whole diatribe, about how narrow-minded I was and that I insulted her mother, who had received numerous visitations from extraterrestrials. She cited biblical encounters with angels (i.e. Jacob) as an example. In the end she told me, "Open your mind."

Opening my mind is one thing. But letting my brains fall out is something else. While I could accept the existence of unidentified flying objects -- the fact that they're unidentified would not make them, in my opinion, angels. Or that I am so holy for that kind of rapport with them.

As far as religion -- I often wonder why people are quick to dismiss the concept of a Supreme Being, but are quick, in fact eager, to believe in little green men with giant heads. Until anyone has actually seen them, I have to remain skeptical.

[Frank_Discussion]

In general, I agree with you. Re: a particular point:

"I often wonder why people are quick to dismiss the concept of a Supreme Being, but are quick, in fact eager, to believe in little green men with giant heads."

Look up Quix's posts - they are anything but devoid of such spirituality. Also, AFAIK, they ain't green, they're gray.

;)

[Las Vegas Dave]

Hynek was mentioned in the NY Post article. I saw J. Allan Hynek on Johnny Carson's show a few times in the 70's, he commented about the craft being seen, (his statement was very profound), he said that "...the craft move as if they were thought projections"!(LVD:At the time I saw this interview I said "WOW", and I haven't changed my opinion in 30+/- years.)

The naysayers will probably poopoo this, and remind us all about his "swamp gas" description. It was about a sighting by several co-eds at a school in Michigan.
Well Hynek was misquoted (by the PRESS-imagine that), his statement was (words to the effect)"..it moved like swamp gas". I remember him saying that he had regretted describing the sighting that way.

[Momaw Nadon]

I agree 100% with what Frank_Discussion said in post #78.

[Las Vegas Dave]

You mean post 96?

[Momaw Nadon]

Make that post #96.

[Momaw Nadon]

96 96 96 ... how did I screw that up?

I apologize profusely for any confusion.

[Dacus943]

Okay – in the late 70’s I was an Ordinary Seaman standing bow lookout on the SS Thomson Lykes. It was a little past midnight and the ship was off the Florida Keyes headed for a pickup of ammo in South (I think) Carolina.

It was a great night, cool weather and good visibility. Anyone who has spent time on lookout knows that the weather can change rapidly during your watch and will always carry rain gear/jackets, or suffer the consequences.

I noticed the ship was headed toward a rain squall, and as I was reaching down to put on my rain coat – I saw an odd display of “lighting” in the approaching clouds. I froze in place.

Headed directly toward the ship was something that exited those clouds. What my MIND interpreted it as - was something out of 2001, A Space Odyssey!

A giant Black Monolith. It was approaching at a rapid clip, flipping end over end, slightly off center. It made about 5, or 6 flips and then it was over my ship.

Huge, rectangular in shape, and filled with what appeared to be thousands of stars! It made one more flip before it passed completely over the ship. I could not follow it transit any further as the Ship’s Bridge blocked my view.

I rang the Mate One Watch and asked him if he just seen what flew over our ship. He stated that I probably saw a military aircraft, and I told him if it was a military aircraft it was from Alpha Centauri.

Needless to say, by morning I was the laughing stock of the ship for reporting and talking about what I saw.

Even today, I get chills when I go over just what I THINK I saw that night. I would never call what I saw a UFO, but it was something out of the ordinary.

[potlatch]

Thanks for the ping Quix. I had forgot all about it!

[Quix]

Thanks.

Will check the doc out.

[Quix]

Considering the mass of data I've seen, sorted and filed in some rough sense . . . I like to at least pretend I'm fairly balanced in my perspective on the topic, too.

Most of it I hold loosely and wait to see what falls off with some sort of solid confirmation--at least multiple sources over significant time or some sort of serious Godly confirmation.

Anyway--will see by and by!

[Quix]

In 1970/71, Blackbirds were at least occasionally at Okinawa.

[Petronski]

Isn't that in the Notevenwithatenfootpole nebula?

Yep, part of the Galaxy Notevenwithyourdick.