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Smokers asked to cough up taxes for Web buys
CNET News.com ^ | February 18, 2005, 3:31 PM PST | Alorie Gilbert

Posted on 02/21/2005 6:46:21 AM PST by Zon

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To: Raycpa

How about answering the question.

"Do I have a problem with tobacco users encouraging others to break laws while making it sound right and risk less , you bet."

King George would have loved your attitude.


61 posted on 02/21/2005 8:25:17 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: Zon

Tax on tobbaco is not a income tax. Please explain to me how a tobacco tax is bogus.


62 posted on 02/21/2005 8:25:17 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: CSM

What question ? I answered yours plus more.


63 posted on 02/21/2005 8:26:06 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Do you consider a smoker who quits using tobacco to avoid paying the tax a criminal?

(In this post I'm adding "using tobacco" due to further review I realize the question may not have been clear.)


64 posted on 02/21/2005 8:27:19 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

Has he committed a criminal act?


65 posted on 02/21/2005 8:28:39 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: CSM


I can garuntee that you break at least one law a day, if not more than one. Welcome to the club.

When there aren't enough criminals to warrant expanding government power politicians and bureaucrats create new laws and regulations that turns evermore innocent people into criminals by a congressional vote and stoke of the pen. Those laws are in fact and effect, political agenda laws -- not objective law.

66 posted on 02/21/2005 8:30:04 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Raycpa

Well, was Clinton wrong or illegal when he claimed the donation of used underwear to charity at $20 per pair as a way to reduce his income? If he was illegal, as you seem to be implying I would be, shouldn't I be punished in the same manner? Ignored, like he was? My conscience can handle that ok. Or was he just being a tad wrong while I would be highly illegal?


67 posted on 02/21/2005 8:33:12 AM PST by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: Raycpa
...In fact excise taxes were the main revenue source for cited by the constitution and tobbaco played a big part.

Au contarie, from its birth until the late 1850s the bulk of revenue for the Federal government came from tariffs on imported goods; and tobacco was exported, not imported.

The second biggest generator of revenue -- though far, far behind the money raised from tariffs -- was a tax on the sale of Federal land.

Now this is not saying there was no tax on tobacco but it was no more onerous than the tax on rum and salt.

68 posted on 02/21/2005 8:38:03 AM PST by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: Raycpa

Please explain to me how a tobacco tax is bogus.

You first,  explain the following from our earlier posts at 12 and my response/questions at 25.

Here are the relevant sections of each post.

Raycpa wrote: We either have laws we follow or we have anarchy.12

Zon wrote: How is it that people increasingly prospered as did society prior to last years new laws or new laws created decades ago? How is it that anarchy didn't ensue over the last hundred years -- save for prohibition? How is it that we don't have anarchy right now without next year's new laws or new laws yet to be created five, ten or fifteen years in the future?25


69 posted on 02/21/2005 8:38:30 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: badgerlandjim
Well, was Clinton wrong or illegal when he claimed the donation of used underwear to charity at $20 per pair as a way to reduce his income? If he was illegal, as you seem to be implying I would be, shouldn't I be punished in the same manner? Ignored, like he was? My conscience can handle that ok. Or was he just being a tad wrong while I would be highly illegal?

The law provides for a deduction up the the fair market value of the property contributed. The law also provides for a tax on the sale or purchase of tobacco products by a state resident. If Clinton claimed a deduction in excess of the fair market value that was illegal. If 20 is the FMV then its not illegal. The FMV of used underwear is a subjective value.

If Clinton knowingly took a value greater than the FMV even though he could support it then it would be morally wrong but not legally wrong.

If you knowingly purchase cigs' without paying the tax that is both illegal and morally wrong.

70 posted on 02/21/2005 8:40:29 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Zon

Bookmark.
Interesting thread


71 posted on 02/21/2005 8:42:07 AM PST by redgolum
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To: RandallFlagg
"BTW, I still have three cartons of Senecas I haven't touched since rolling my own."

Same here. I'Ve been rolling for about five years. On my second Premier loader.

Finding tobacco I enjoy is another thing.

So many choices, so little time and $$) ;)

72 posted on 02/21/2005 8:42:20 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: Zon

Zon I assume you circuling back to arguments that I previously destroyed is an admission that the tobacco tax is not bogus and is not an example of new laws.


73 posted on 02/21/2005 8:42:55 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa
"The only new thing is smokers thinking they are above the laws just because they cannot resist smoking"

With little respect ... stuff it!.

74 posted on 02/21/2005 8:44:03 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: VMI70
You're wasting your time. This guy is a bean counter; devoid of any common sense. If it isn't codified in a tax guide, he won't consider it. This is not the person you want to handle your affairs.

This is the kind of guy who would have charged a use tax on boarded up windows and the tea thrown into Boston Harbor.

Becki

75 posted on 02/21/2005 8:44:43 AM PST by Becki (If vegetarians eat vegetables, what do humanitarians eat???)
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To: Mr. Bird
"Does the Jenkins Act apply to purchases of tobacco from foreign (i.e. European) nations, either online or in person?"

Don't know.

It would be fair to assume that imported tobacco is taxed upon entry and one would see that reflected in the cost price from that foreign country.

Whether the Jenkins Act applies or not, the Indian tribes are exempt, thus far.

76 posted on 02/21/2005 8:54:41 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: Raycpa
If you want to live in a nation such as ours respect for the law must come above your nicotine human urges.

Let me fix that for you and go tell the civil rights folks from the '60s that.

77 posted on 02/21/2005 8:55:39 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Mears

bump


78 posted on 02/21/2005 8:56:59 AM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: Raycpa
...morally wrong.

WOW, I'll make note of your screen name. (in case any deep moral issues present themselves - I'll need to consult)

79 posted on 02/21/2005 8:59:23 AM PST by TheOracleAtLilac
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To: Mr Ramsbotham; Raycpa
" I'm a Native American too. When do I get to stop paying these infernal taxes?"

Boy ... am I ever with you on that!

Unlike our resident tax loving Raycpa, I'm all for a little "tea party"!

Should there ever be a tax on mental masturbation, Raycpa would have to declare bankruptcy.

80 posted on 02/21/2005 9:01:03 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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