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Smokers asked to cough up taxes for Web buys
CNET News.com ^ | February 18, 2005, 3:31 PM PST | Alorie Gilbert

Posted on 02/21/2005 6:46:21 AM PST by Zon

Hundreds of Michigan residents are getting a big surprise this tax season--hefty tax bills for cigarettes they bought online over the past four years.

The state sent the bills to 553 residents last week after subpoenaing 13 online tobacco shops for names of Michigan customers and their order histories, a Michigan Treasury Department spokesman Caleb Buhs said on Friday. The tax bills are based on information from just one store, and the state expects to collect more names from the others.

Collectively, the people receiving this first round of bills owe the state $1.4 million, an average of $2,500 per person, Buhs said. They have until March 14 to pay. 

"At its most fundamental level, this is an issue of tax fairness," State Treasurer Jay B. Rising said in a statement. "It is only right that out-of-state vendors, who conduct business only online and at arms length, follow the letter of the law. These taxes are collected by brick-and-mortar businesses in Michigan, and Internet vendors should not be allowed to skirt their responsibility."

Michigan, which levies a $2 tax on every pack of cigarettes, collected $993 million in tobacco taxes last year, Buhs said.

eSmokes, one of the top tobacco sellers on the Web, cancelled thousands of orders to Michigan customers after hearing about the tax crackdown, an eSmokes representative said. The representative would not discuss whether the store has been subpoenaed by Michigan or any other state.

Michigan did not disclose which companies it has subpoenaed.

Other states, including California, Washington and Wisconsin, have launched efforts to collect tobacco taxes from residents who dodged them online. A 2002 report (click for .pdf) from the U.S. General Accounting Office said most states tax the sale of cigarettes, and that online sales have cost them millions of dollars in lost revenue.

Internet shops that don't tell states about tobacco purchases by people other than licensed distributors are flouting a federal law known as the Jenkins Act. Laws that exempt online retailers from collecting sales taxes do not apply to tobacco excise taxes, the GAO report said. 


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: addiction; cigarette; ecommerce; funnyheadline; michigan; pufflist; smokers; tax; taxes; tobacco; tobbaco; wackyheadine; wackyheadline; wasteofmoney
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Politicians and bureaucrats in Michigan holding true to their parasitical elite ways. More theft under the color of law.
1 posted on 02/21/2005 6:46:28 AM PST by Zon
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To: Zon

I was wondering when the Jenkins Act would begin rearing its ugly head.


2 posted on 02/21/2005 6:50:10 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: SheLion; Gabz

PING!


3 posted on 02/21/2005 6:50:49 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Zon

Just did our taxes here in NY and our CPA said the State of New York now wants to know, on the State income tax return, how much money you have spent purchasing things online (NOT just cigarettes - think Amazon.Com, E-Bay,etc.)for which sales tax wasn't collected.

I told her to tell the State of New York to go to hell but I think she just wrote "none" on the form. It's only a matter of time before these leeches get online businesses to collect sales taxes from every purchase.


4 posted on 02/21/2005 6:53:24 AM PST by rockprof
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To: Zon
A 2002 report (click for .pdf) from the U.S. General Accounting Office said most states tax the sale of cigarettes, and that online sales have cost them millions of dollars in lost revenue.

I hate to tell them - but they can not lose that which they don't have. This so-called lost revenue were just predictions of how much they might collect, not what they actually collected.

5 posted on 02/21/2005 6:54:19 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: RandallFlagg; CSM; Dan from Michigan

Thanks, RF.


6 posted on 02/21/2005 6:55:18 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Zon; Wolfie
"The Jenkins Act requires anyone who sells cigarettes into any state, to report those sales to each state monthly. This would include your name and order information.

Native Americans are exempt from the Jenkins Act because we are independent nations under our federal treaties. That is the reason that we do not pay, or collect, state taxes."

http://www.senecasmokes.com/the_jenkins_act.htm

7 posted on 02/21/2005 6:56:39 AM PST by G.Mason (The replies by this poster are meant for self-amusement only. Read at your own discretion.)
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To: rockprof
Just did our taxes here in NY and our CPA said the State of New York now wants to know, on the State income tax return, how much money you have spent purchasing things online (NOT just cigarettes - think Amazon.Com, E-Bay,etc.)for which sales tax wasn't collected.

Please tell this to all the, "You stinky smokers oughta quit so you'll live longer and the taxman won't come after you anymore," folks that are likely to chime in.

And they thought that it'd just be about cigarettes. HAH!
8 posted on 02/21/2005 6:57:44 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Gabz
Politicians and bureaucrats scratching their heads wonder..."why are so many smokers buying over the Internet rather than local stores as they have in the past?"

Obvious answer: they found a partial escape from the continuing "rape" by the politicians and bureaucrats.

9 posted on 02/21/2005 6:58:59 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: G.Mason

I hope Seneca goes to selling RYO. It'd be a good way for them to supplement their sales and open up a wider variety.

BTW, I still have three cartons of Senecas I haven't touched since rolling my own.


10 posted on 02/21/2005 7:01:50 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Zon

Exactly.

If these politicians would just open their eyes - they would see that they would reap more tax dollars by lowering the exorbitant taxes and the problem of "bootleg" smokes would take a drastic decline.


11 posted on 02/21/2005 7:03:00 AM PST by Gabz (Anti-smoker gnatzies...small minds buzzing in your business..............SWAT'EM)
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To: Zon

The theft is from the tax cheats. We either have laws we follow or we have anarchy.


12 posted on 02/21/2005 7:05:58 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: RandallFlagg
And they thought that it'd just be about cigarettes. HAH!

Use tax are as old as the sales tax and have always been payable by residents purchasing out of state. The only new thing is smokers thinking they are above the laws just because they cannot resist smoking.

13 posted on 02/21/2005 7:08:50 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

Apparently you irrationally think there are no bogus laws.


14 posted on 02/21/2005 7:09:44 AM PST by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: G.Mason

Sure, according to the Indians. The BATF thinks otherwise. Given the track record of the respective entities involved, my money's on the Feds prevailing.


15 posted on 02/21/2005 7:10:10 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: Zon

And thank you Sheriff of Nottingham!


16 posted on 02/21/2005 7:11:24 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Progressives are just liberals with an Earl Scheib paintjob.)
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To: Zon

Tax on cigarettes are not exactly new. In fact excise taxes were the main revenue source for cited by the constitution and tobbaco played a big part.


17 posted on 02/21/2005 7:11:49 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: G.Mason
Exempt, but only as long as you are on tribal property.

A couple of states are contesting this, by saying you are not allowed to bulk transport cigs across their jurisdictions. What they do is stop the delivery truck, unload the cigs and ticket the driver. It's happened once in Wisconsin as a test case, and I'm told Michigan is doing this to their tribes.

18 posted on 02/21/2005 7:15:37 AM PST by spudsmaki
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To: G.Mason
Native Americans are exempt from the Jenkins Act because we are independent nations under our federal treaties. That is the reason that we do not pay, or collect, state taxes."

I'm a Native American too. When do I get to stop paying these infernal taxes?

19 posted on 02/21/2005 7:15:53 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: RandallFlagg

Don't know what kind of tubes you use, but my local tobacco shop started carrying a brand called Zen, made with rice paper instead of pulp paper, and supposedly they use a more natural glue. I highly recommend them.


20 posted on 02/21/2005 7:15:54 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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