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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: gogeo

A number of us have been dealing with Laura for a couple months now. I'm sorry you feel it a waste of time to gather both sides.


661 posted on 02/21/2005 11:12:16 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Dashing Dasher

probably *lol*


662 posted on 02/21/2005 11:14:10 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
**I guarantee I know more college women than you do. **

Bless your heart, Laura. Your comment lacks common sense and basic knowledge.

663 posted on 02/21/2005 11:15:39 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: mrs tiggywinkle

I'm not motivated by what I feel, but what I see...the world is full of people irritating by nature, and those who are merely acting irritating at the time. I hold mature adults to a higher standard than college students, which is both proper and appropriate. So undoubtedly you will understand my reasoning when I tell you that you should act like the adult you undoubtedly are.


664 posted on 02/21/2005 11:18:31 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: cyborg

The hardest part about being a successful, professional, conservative female is the prejudice against me by my own compatriots.

So many conservatives - both men and women - judge me because I'm not married, have no children and have chosen my career over family. Therefore, I must be a radical feminist and there is something wrong with me.

I find this judgemental nature against me amazing and SAD!


665 posted on 02/21/2005 11:20:12 AM PST by Dashing Dasher (It's time to turn over a new leaf, again.)
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To: gogeo

If you're motivated by what you see rather than feel, I again suggest you research rather than pop-judging others. Thank you.


666 posted on 02/21/2005 11:20:27 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: Dashing Dasher

It's part and parcel of what sometimes happens in conservative websites. Thanfully, it's not often. Not every woman has to be a stay at home mom.


667 posted on 02/21/2005 11:24:30 AM PST by cyborg (http://mentalmumblings.blogspot.com/)
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To: cyborg

I agree with your post. It seems self-evident.


668 posted on 02/21/2005 11:26:54 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
I have *no* problem with your professional status. You were wise, imo, to make a choice of career vs family. Attempting to do both usually creates havoc on one or the other.

It is my personal belief that if a woman chooses family then she should devote a season of her life *to* her children. I am currently doing this. When my daughter begins college in 2.5 years I will most likely re-enter the marketing field.

669 posted on 02/21/2005 11:27:45 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: pabianice

I need to go to my Netflix site, find and get that movie. I also need to send my wife to the grocery store to pick up some beer and chips with dip.


670 posted on 02/21/2005 11:50:27 AM PST by antiunion person (For the Preservation of the United States, WE Need to Close Down the Borders.)
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To: neverdem
gad...this thread is an energizer bunny, every time I think is on it's last legs, it comes up for air.

So..who wants popcorn..if it's a bunch, I'll have to run to the store.

Yes, I know I mixed metaphors, but thank you for pointing that out; I'm a typewriter, I can't be expected to keep up with everything.

671 posted on 02/21/2005 11:54:13 AM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: 506trooper
**I'm a typewriter, I can't be expected to keep up with everything.**

That would depend though. Are you manual or electronic?

672 posted on 02/21/2005 11:59:04 AM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: gogeo

gogeo, there is a lengthy history with this poster. Mrs. Tiggywinkle has been endlessly patient, and LLB seems to have a wide range of feelings toward her.

If you want to take up LLB's cause with someone, please feel free to FReepmail me. I do not like the poster LLB, and I probably have the harshest assessment of any poster here.

Freegards,

Judy


673 posted on 02/21/2005 12:00:02 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: 506trooper

Sorry, trooper. I didn't mean that the way it came out. argh.

674 posted on 02/21/2005 12:02:18 PM PST by mrs tiggywinkle
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Going to college to get an education AND meet new people is fine. But no one should go to college for the sole purpose of partying, or meeting people or finding a husband. It is an institute of higher learning after all.

I went to a college where women went almost soley to meet a husband. If you weren't engaged by the end of your freshman year you were doomed.

You know what, it doesn't matter why someone is in college. If they can get in and pay, who CARES!!

675 posted on 02/21/2005 12:12:56 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs (I don't support gay male prostitutes, beating up people in strip bars or poor grammar.)
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To: Dashing Dasher
So many conservatives - both men and women - judge me because I'm not married, have no children and have chosen my career over family.

As a fellow conservative I think there is absolutely nothing wrong with that!

676 posted on 02/21/2005 12:15:26 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: neverdem

Man this thread has legs! I usually get it anytime I can. Got a problem with that M. Blum?


677 posted on 02/21/2005 12:16:44 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
Actually, if I have to be a mechanical device, can I be a jackhammer, or a bulldozer, or something that might be perceived as more manly?

You know I can't pass up a straight line, but I think I'll leave it at that.

LOL

678 posted on 02/21/2005 12:26:29 PM PST by 506trooper (No such thing as too much guns, ammo or fuel on board...unless you're on fire)
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To: k2blader

That makes four of us.


679 posted on 02/21/2005 12:30:31 PM PST by Dashing Dasher (It's time to turn over a new leaf, again.)
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To: mrs tiggywinkle
For a newbie, you sure are in attack mode.

I think you mean "DEFEND" mode.....

680 posted on 02/21/2005 12:58:10 PM PST by Torties
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