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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: Judith Anne



Homosexuality is legal, is that right too?


621 posted on 02/21/2005 8:56:03 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Immediately before your excerpt, speaking about women...

But when it comes to graduate school and jobs, they tend to leak from the career pipeline. A swirl of factors including childbirth, cultural norms, societal expectations and psychology more likely explain why they become scarcer at the highest ranks of science and math, researchers said.

I believe I made this very point earlier...and I didn't need a government funded study to do it...I relied on "life experience".

622 posted on 02/21/2005 8:57:21 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: LauraleeBraswell

I see you took my advice ,that I gave you in an other thread.Good for you,you are learning.


623 posted on 02/21/2005 8:57:22 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Lurking2Long

So does that make a college education useless? Are they unable to use their skills to benefit the community in terms of community events.

Many women also go back to work after the children are off to college. It's an important to have a degree to fall back on.


624 posted on 02/21/2005 8:59:07 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Lurking2Long



Does that also mean that women should not go to work?

For example: Let's say a woman's husband dies and leaves her with two children. Her having that degree makes all the difference.


625 posted on 02/21/2005 9:01:34 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Mrs.Nooseman
Yes I certainly did. You, Diva Betsy Ross, and Mrs. Tigglywinkle (excuse the spelling) offered me wonderful advice. Thank you.
626 posted on 02/21/2005 9:03:41 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Homosexuality is legal, is that right too?

So, now you are equating "going to college to find a husband" with homosexuality?

That's what the left does, hauls out the moral equivalency argument. You're pretty good at that....

627 posted on 02/21/2005 9:15:26 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Mona Lisa Smile is so relevant to this discussion.

Yes, it is...what you're witnessing in the movie is the birth of radical feminism. It's based upon a lie, in the form of a proposition...you can get married, or you can have a life. You get better at most things as you practice them, and living is no exception. I've learned that answering any question isn't too tough. What's tough is figuring out what the question is. I think you've been sold a bill of goods. No doubt you've heard and experienced, "He who frames the debate wins it."

You have a lot on the ball; don't stop! You're a conservative and you're making a life for yourself, you're going to college. That is great! You're doing what makes sense to you for your life.

It doesn't minimize that to point out that there are millions of people on campuses right now, all looking to accomplish something for themselves. They are going different places, and more importantly they're coming from different places. What makes sense for one (and to one) isn't true of the next.

There can be great danger in going to school to simply obtain an MRS degree. There can be great danger in everything we do, if it's not done with good sense. I don't see there are any bad reasons to go to college. I didn't see (from personal experience, which is by definition limited) those who wanted to find the right guy blowing off the education.

628 posted on 02/21/2005 9:17:24 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
For example: Let's say a woman's husband dies and leaves her with two children. Her having that degree makes all the difference.

But what if she had bad motives? What if she only went to find a husband? Is it still okay? Or is she disqualified?

629 posted on 02/21/2005 9:18:28 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: gogeo


Yes, I agree.

Going to college to get an education AND meet new people is fine. But no one should go to college for the sole purpose of partying, or meeting people or finding a husband. It is an institute of higher learning after all.




630 posted on 02/21/2005 9:20:04 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
>What's wrong with going to college to party then?

Nothing, if you aren't asking me to pay for it.

631 posted on 02/21/2005 9:20:40 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: gogeo

Very good point.


632 posted on 02/21/2005 9:22:51 AM PST by Mrs.Nooseman
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To: Judith Anne


IF a woman went to college just to meet a husband then she probably would be more concerned with meeting men than learning anything. Once she meets that man, and he proposed, let's say he's two years older, would she drop out.


633 posted on 02/21/2005 9:23:10 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: Judith Anne


And it takes money and a job to settle down. How many students have that right out of college?

If she did continue her education, then she wasn't there just to meet a husband.


634 posted on 02/21/2005 9:24:56 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: k2blader
Well, if it ever becomes popular thinking that learning is not the fundamental reason colleges exist, college degrees will become essentially worthless. Maybe we are even closer to that point than I thought.

I see a glimmer...

635 posted on 02/21/2005 9:25:30 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: Dianna
I would advise any daughters of mine to think VERY carefully of what kind of life they want to have. If they want children and a home life, going to med school would be counterproductive.

You probably wouldn't be sending them to Harvard to become teachers, either.

636 posted on 02/21/2005 9:29:43 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell

BZZZZZZT! I asked you first. You answer first.

Answering a question with a question is a liberal (or psychiatric) tactic. Since I don't think you are a psychiatrist, guess what I think.


637 posted on 02/21/2005 9:30:41 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
When did I ever say women should NOT go to college?

All I have contended is that women need to stop trying to be men.

638 posted on 02/21/2005 9:36:17 AM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: Lurking2Long

You're dealing with someone who likes to twist words, there...


639 posted on 02/21/2005 9:39:23 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Women do not go to college to meet husbands nor should they...

You are so much like another young lady I know...you cannot defend that sweeping statement. That's because you could never show that every person did something for exactly the same reason, or for only one reason.

640 posted on 02/21/2005 9:42:38 AM PST by gogeo (Often wrong but seldom in doubt.)
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