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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: LauraleeBraswell
There are other alternatives to Daycare. And children tend to be in school most of the day. I have a sister who is going to be a teacher so that when she does have a family she will be home. That's why more women go into the teaching profession.

"No kidding?" asks the ed major. Most children don't go to school full time until they are about 6 years old. Teachers work at least 180 days of each of those years AND many places (if not most) require a Masters degree within 10 years of hire. That does not equate to being home.

Day care is not the worst thing we can do to our children. However, I wouldn't deliberately structure my life so that my babies had to be in day care. I would advise any daughters of mine to think VERY carefully of what kind of life they want to have. If they want children and a home life, going to med school would be counterproductive.

501 posted on 02/20/2005 7:53:34 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Lurking2Long
That's not true! For most of mankind's history,women were NOT allowed to seek an education.The first women to go to college in England and America were exceedingly few and began in the later Victorian era.

At the same time,most men didn't finish high school.

It really wasn't until the 1960s,in American,that people began to go to college in great numbers;even including the vets from WW II,who went to college in far greater numbers than ever before seen.

502 posted on 02/20/2005 7:53:58 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Gumdrop

Glaubst Du Das denn da immer noch? Wirchlich? Tja.


503 posted on 02/20/2005 7:55:08 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: k2blader

Same reason I went, you know. And I wanted to find a wife.


504 posted on 02/20/2005 7:56:03 PM PST by patton (Matthew 6:6)
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To: nopardons
It really wasn't until the 1960s,in American,that people began to go to college in great numbers

Seems to coincide with the downfall of American culture, doesn't it?

505 posted on 02/20/2005 7:56:58 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: expatpat

Right here on FR,with men making stupid remarks,such as the one you just made. ;^)


506 posted on 02/20/2005 7:57:10 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I think my grandma didn't make it far out of 4th or 5th grade. My mom got a degree in home ec, which even at that time was rather "abnormal" for a woman her age.


507 posted on 02/20/2005 8:00:03 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Lurking2Long

As I recall, women make up the majority of teachers by far); therefore, men are being taught primarily by women (don't forget Mothers are teachers, too). So, men should applaud and praise women because they're getting their smarts from them (stepping into my flame resistant Wonder Woman suit now ;-)


508 posted on 02/20/2005 8:09:19 PM PST by Seattle Conservative (Seattle Conservative)
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To: patton
Okay. All I was arguing from the consumer viewpoint was: I think going to college for the *primary* purpose of finding a spouse or partying or whatever is a huge waste.
509 posted on 02/20/2005 8:14:39 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Lurking2Long
Not really...that began in the late '60s.

But more and more business began to require a college degree for jobs that it's ridiculous to require one for;hence today,most people think that they have to have a college degree.And graduate degrees are now so common that they've had to develop some weird thing called a post graduate degree now,for people to go beyond having a PHD!

In the mid/late '60s/early '70s many anti-war/lefties went onto teaching to escape the draft and wound up teaching their form of garbage,instead of REAL class work.

510 posted on 02/20/2005 8:22:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: k2blader

Depending upon how old your grandmother is (was?),your mother's age,and yours,that is either somewhat normal,or not. :-)


511 posted on 02/20/2005 8:24:31 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Lurking2Long
Ummmm...I think God invented marriage...and God is male (sorry Feminists).

Fair enough, but did God invent alimony? I'm pretty sure, subject to check, that it had to be a women.

512 posted on 02/20/2005 8:27:36 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: Mears

"Who's Ms Summers? Do you mean Ms Blum?"

YES :(


513 posted on 02/20/2005 9:20:30 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, pilot, pharmacist, oil field trash. (OIL FIELD TRASH was the most fun))
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To: cpdiii

Thanks!


514 posted on 02/20/2005 9:32:35 PM PST by Mears ("Call me irresponsible".)
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To: Sooth2222

What is the source of this SAT chart - it is extremely telling.

I've never seen that data before -

Diva's Husband


515 posted on 02/20/2005 9:44:16 PM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Just say no to the ACLU!)
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To: expatpat

My husband is on the lowest part of this scale and I say humbly I am on the highest part.


516 posted on 02/20/2005 9:52:03 PM PST by fatima (Diva Betsy Ross is the best and shines above all the rest,fatima)
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To: Conservababe
You should be ashamed ...

Always ready to "shame" someone, aren't you?

517 posted on 02/20/2005 11:23:45 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: neverdem

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1347146/posts

:)


518 posted on 02/20/2005 11:35:32 PM PST by ekidsohbelaas (Reporter: "Mr Gandhi, what do you think of Western Civilization?" Gandhi "I think it's a good idea.")
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To: neverdem

There is no question that neither sex is naturally more inteligent than the other.

That being said, no woman ever pinned Andy Kaufman's shoulders to the mat for the 1-2-3. So at least in inter-gender wrestling, most of the evidence supports, at the very least, Andy Kaufman's superiority over the female sex when it came to wrestling.

(I sure miss Andy). ;-)


519 posted on 02/20/2005 11:37:50 PM PST by HitmanLV
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To: neverdem

The man-woman comparison as regards the intellect should be regarded as complimentary and not superior-subordinate. The latter strikes me as myopic; simpleton thinking.


520 posted on 02/20/2005 11:56:58 PM PST by Lexinom
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