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When Are You Guys Going to Get It?
LA Times ^ | February 13, 2005 | Deborah Blum

Posted on 02/20/2005 3:32:14 PM PST by neverdem

GENDER STUDIES

In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

The great 19th century neuroanatomist Paul Broca didn't see the situation as quite so dire, but he warned his colleagues that women were not capable of being as smart as men, "a difference that we should not exaggerate, but which is nonetheless real."

The president of Harvard University suggested that a lack of "innate ability" might help explain why women couldn't keep up with men in fields like math and science … oh, wait, that one happened just last month.

Hold for a minute — OK — while I dig out my corset and bustle.

If that sounds snotty, I mean it to be.

I, for one, am ready to leave the 19th century behind. Harvard President Lawrence H. Summers can apologize all he wants, but the fact is that — from a position of power — he felt comfortable speculating about women's inadequate intelligence and ignoring years worth of science that proved him wrong.

I don't find that excusable. Period.

And I wonder why we women are so willing to tolerate this kind of behavior.

Summers raised the issue of women's lesser capabilities in an economic conference in Cambridge, Mass., in mid-January. And the most consistent response from women — the one still resonating across the country — is defensiveness.

A litany of female scholars quote studies proving that, yes, we girls can do long division, actually understand a chemical formula, comprehend a physical law or two and not only become professional scientists but do good work.

In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades, even since the corset-and-bustle days. The physicist Marie Curie won....

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: academia; genetics; larrysummers; sexdifferences; summers
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To: Dog Gone

You need a return to your indoctrination center. Men and Women are not equal they are the same.


41 posted on 02/20/2005 3:54:22 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: eclectic
You didn't get the memo, obviously. This is because the women were and still are OPPRESSED by the men.

Says who????????????????????????????????????????

42 posted on 02/20/2005 3:54:23 PM PST by SALChamps03
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To: expatpat
---Are you being coerced by a female? Wink twice if you need to be rescued.---

LOL. ;) ;)

43 posted on 02/20/2005 3:54:25 PM PST by smonk
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To: Straight Vermonter

Blum is dumb?


44 posted on 02/20/2005 3:54:28 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Lurking2Long
Men were "given" education because men generally sought education more so than women did.

Okay, I'm not a feminist, far from it, but that was a supremely asinine remark to make. Women didn't seek the education? No kidding. It was taboo. Since that stigma has been lifted you have seen an exponential increase in women in higher education. Yes or no?

45 posted on 02/20/2005 3:55:20 PM PST by ShadowDancer (Vivere est cogitare)
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To: neverdem

And where is the evidence that refutes this hypothesis?


46 posted on 02/20/2005 3:55:26 PM PST by expatpat
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To: neverdem

Just one questun, ifin we is all so dum, then why is all of yous so afraid of uz so as to insult uz all de tyme?

Give me a break.


47 posted on 02/20/2005 3:55:33 PM PST by Danae (In waking a Tiger, use a long stick - R. Heinlein)
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To: neverdem

Take it from a man with three grown daughters and a wife of thirty-eight years men who go out of their way to say stupid things like this are not that bright either. Not if he craves a piece or peace and quite.


48 posted on 02/20/2005 3:55:55 PM PST by mississippi red-neck
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To: Mears
When is Ms. Summers going to get it. Men are superior on the average in certain fields. Women are superior to men on the average in certain other fields.

Ms. Summers needs to understand men and women are DIFFERENT, AND THANK GOD FOR THE DIFFERENCE. Life would be so drab if we were all the same.

49 posted on 02/20/2005 3:56:11 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, pilot, pharmacist, oil field trash. (OIL FIELD TRASH was the most fun))
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To: expatpat
In Victorian times, scientists argued that women's brains were too small to be fully human. On the intelligence scale, researchers recommended classifying human females with gorillas.

And where is the evidence that refutes this hypothesis?

50 posted on 02/20/2005 3:56:19 PM PST by expatpat
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To: neverdem

I don't understand why women spend time worrying whether men think they're intelligent? There are so many other important things to worry about like the encroachment of big government in the United States. Let's fix that, not what some ignoramus thinks.


51 posted on 02/20/2005 3:56:23 PM PST by The Westerner
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To: Lurking2Long
Look at the Bronte sisters. All three wrote classic novels. Do you know what is so interesting about the Bronte sisters.

They went through hardship, saving, scrounging, working trying to put their one brother through school. None of these women went to school.

Educating women was not necessary.
52 posted on 02/20/2005 3:56:56 PM PST by LauraleeBraswell ( CONSERVATIVE FIRST-Republican second.)
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To: GVgirl

NO! It's not over until womyn get admited at Augusta.


53 posted on 02/20/2005 3:56:56 PM PST by Lx (Tuesday is Soylent green day!)
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To: neverdem

Bitter, middle-aged feminista alert!


54 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:07 PM PST by mowkeka
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To: neverdem

In any case, the whole argument is two sides of the same leftist coin. Maybe men are, on average, more talented in math and science than women. Maybe they're not. But to make a big deal out of it is to induldge in thinking of people as belonging to their, not treating them as individuals.

If scientists are judged, as individuals, on their work, not on their sex, then it doesn't matter whether men are, on the average, better scientists than women. Those women who are the best will get their fair shake, whether women happen to be 50%, 25%, or for that matter 75% of the best.

And that is what matters: The best individuals getting what they deserve. Not whether the best happens to be a 50/50 split.


55 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:24 PM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (Shake Hands with the Serpent: Poetry by Charles Lipsig aka Celtjew http://books.lulu.com/lipsig)
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To: Lurking2Long
IF women are smarter than men, then how come most inventions are attributable to men?

IF men can be just as nurturing as MOTHERS, then how come most mothers are women?

Sheesh... I thought they had this figured out when Time Magazine put it on the cover... what, 14 years ago???

DUM DUMS, men and women are different... you know... like NOT THE SAME!

Vive le Differance!!!!

56 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:35 PM PST by Swordmaker (Tagline now open, please ring bell.)
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To: humblegunner

Me thinks the lady doth protest too much.


57 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:52 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: ShadowDancer
Women went into higher education seeking husbands (for the most part) NOT an education.

That is still the case.

58 posted on 02/20/2005 3:57:53 PM PST by Lurking2Long
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To: neverdem; SunkenCiv
In fact, when allowed, women have done excellent science for decades....

Oh Please, pretty please with cherries on top, please please let me do science! I promise to do it most excellently.

AACK! This raging female writer is insulting women in her lame attempt to defend against a recent attack that never was....

59 posted on 02/20/2005 3:58:06 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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To: Lurking2Long
IF women are smarter than men, then how come most inventions are attributable to men?

Why is necessity the MOTHER of invention?

Hmmmmm?

ROFL!

60 posted on 02/20/2005 3:58:13 PM PST by MamaTexan (Forgive me fellow FReepers....for I have dial-up!)
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