Same Sex Marriage In Canada? (A Cogent Defense Of Traditional Marriage From Stephen Harper)

02/16/05 | Stephen Harper

[max_bshp]

I don't know, 16 years of liberal rule starts to get a little much even for Canadians, I'm hoping for a change in the next election.

[goldstategop]

There's that democratic deficit in the Senate. Of course BC is governed by the conservative BC Liberals. Although I hear the socialist New Democrats are making a comeback. Makes you wonder why this beautiful country of yours keeps sinking ever further into the despond called Trudeaupia.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[goldstategop]

16 years? The Liberals under MacKenzie King and Louis St. Laurent governed 23 years from 1935-1958. The oldest joke about Canada's natural governing party is it seems to be around power forever.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[Lord Nelson]

The Bloc and NDP are identical - if you ever listen to their economic policy. It's all social programs.

Yes, there are still a handful of red Tories in the Conservative party, so the real conservative element of Canada is very very small.

What I do find though is that conservative Canadians are more consistent conservatives often than Americans. Canadian conservatives tend to be truly laisse faire conservatives, who distrust any big government, and who are against all types of corporate welfare as well. The Republican party on the other hand, Bush being the exception, often justify big spending such as NASA, and don't seem to be bothered at all by corporate handouts.

[Lord Nelson]

Everyone hates Gordon Campbell. Yet whenever I hear him talk about policy, he makes perfect sense to me. The BC Libs are still to left of centre for me, but they are the ONLY BC party that wants to encourage its mining and petroleum industries.

Yes, the voters of BC want to toss the BC Libs for the NDP. I just shake my head. Although if you get out of Victoria and Vancouver centre, the BC Libs have lots of support.

[goldstategop]

Yes, its all about Da Canadian Way - the welfare state. Which is why separatism for Quebec is a non-starter. Why bother to set up a country that in all respects is identical to the one you just left? Independence for Alberta, now that makes a lot more sense.

Canada's conservatives are a quarter of the population and most of the real ones are west of Manitoba. Another 5% are Red Tories. (Red Tories might be best described as Liberals without the corruption and a practical business sense). So the Conservative Party doesn't have a chance of gaining power in the foreseeable future.

I think its more in the nature of Western Canada getting little from the federal government. The Liberals don't want to reward people who don't vote for them and its not as vote-rich as Ontario. And for Canadian conservatives, big government holds no appeal since they're never going to distribute the public treasury's largesse. That's why they're such ardent devotees of the free market. Its also why the Liberals keep winning votes - they have money to spend on favored constituencies.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[goldstategop]

They were the only BC party to at least make the province a little like Alberta. BC may not have a provincial equivalent of the federal Liberals but ugh - why does the main opposition have to be Jack Layton's local boys? Its like in the States - outside the big cities, you find lots of conservative voters.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[goldstategop]

There's the Netherlands, Belgium and Spain. They are what I call societies that are slowly rotting away. And the Liberals would like to add Canada to that undistinguished list. Note: none of the Anglosphere has gone so far as to legalize same sex marriage, including countries led by Left-Wing Governments as disparate as the UK and NZ. That says a lot about why some nations are healthier than others.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[goldstategop]

Read my post #10. There isn't a society in history that has legalized same sex marriage and made it. That's why those countries I mentioned in my previous post probably will disappear in a few generations. A country that can't secure its future is worth nothing.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[goldstategop]

Erosion of cultural values, declining birthrate and the specter of incipient Islamacization waiting in the wings. If you can call that making it, I guess same sex marriage paid dividends. That's exactly a model of social failure Canada ought not to copy.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[ThirstyMan]

"Personally I don't think the gov't should be creating special clubs for people, for any real reason."

Marriage is a special club.
To allow for another "equal" competing version of the same, is to secularize marriage. Marriage as a man and a woman has sacred roots and it is a moral foundational institution valued by society.
Not all lifestyles are equal.
The government didn't "create" this heterosexual category either. It merely acknowledges its existence, its importance and its preeminence. While other sexual unions do exist they are not worth protecting and giving governmental blessing.

[goldstategop]

The Left's philosophy is everything ought to be equal. I've never found that view persuasive. It makes no distinction between good and bad never mind between talent and mediocrity. A society with differences of class, taste and talent - why, we can't have that. Some people will be made to feel poorer. Let's not give every one the opportunity to excel; let's bring the rest of society down to the level where the non-achievers and morally questionable abide.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[garylmoore]

It will come as no surprise to anybody to know that I support the traditional definition of marriage as a union of one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others, as expressed in our traditional common law.

Good man.

[goldstategop]

As recently as a decade ago, the common law was taken for granted. Immutable principles shouldn't change just because the times do. The intellectual illiteracy of certain politicians is staggering.

Denny Crane: "There are two places to find the truth. First God and then Fox News."

[Lord Nelson]

Ever read the Brave New World. The only thing people are permitted, in fact required to exercise ultimate freedom in is sexual perversion. Safe to say these people are political idiots and come under the control of a totalitarian regime.

[max_bshp]

thats just my point, the government shouldn't be in the business of "blessing" anything. Your right as well, marriage is a sacred institution, with all of the religious trappings that that the word sacred comes attatched with, I also don't think that the gov't should be involved with religious terms.

From the governments point of view the fact that 2 individuals have chosen to pool resources and become a stronger economic unit is more important than the gender of the people involved. Let marriage become what it is, a religious term used to describe a union between a man and a woman.

[ThirstyMan]

"The Left's philosophy is everything ought to be equal. I've never found that view persuasive. It makes no distinction between good and bad never mind between talent and mediocrity."

Absolutely. Equality is their highest value! Even in the face of differences that really do matter. As you say, let's dumb everyone down to the lowest common denominator and then proceed. All are created of equal worth in God's eyes but not all are equally gifted by God.
That much is obvious.
They want to re-invent man in their own image of perfection. What a deceptive pile of bovine excrement!
Reminds me of what Harvard's president is going through because he suggested that females may not be as inclined to hold high powered jobs as men. Why? Because females value their families more often than men.
Imagine that as a piece of heresy?

Man making himself in his own image, that's what we're seeing.