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What the H*** is CNN Doing? (Vanity)
Self ^ | Feb 17, 2005 | Self

Posted on 02/17/2005 5:30:25 PM PST by Edward Watson

CNN just showed a report on how easy it is to obtain a 50 cal rifle through the internet together with armor piecing rounds, and how to bypass the federal restrictions by a private person-to-person cash sale.

Not only that, these idiots had the investigative reporter fire at an airplane door and discussed how easy it is for a terrorist to use these guns to shoot down commercial aircraft.

One thing Islamic terrorists are is most of them are incredibly stupid and wouldn't know how to go around acquiring a 50 calibre rifle with telescopic sights and armour-piercing rounds.

Now, thanks to CNN, every single terrorist who saw or will become aware of the program now know exactly how to circumvent the law in order to get these weapons.

What irresponsible journalism. Why don't these people realize there are certain things you have to keep your mouth shut on in order to protect the public.

Can any of the American freepers here do what you can to haul CNN on the carpet for this irresponsible report?


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To: democratslayer
"!!!WRONG!!! DEPENDS ON THE ALTITUDE OF THE AIRCRAFT.
Physics 101: ...."


IIRC, the pressurization system of a commercial aircraft would be more than adequate to maintain the pressure drop caused by two 50 caliber penetrations (picture a bb going through both sides of a beer can). It would be able to automatically compensate with no noticible drop to cabin pressure.

If a window was destroyed you may get a pressure drop high enough to cause the deployment of masks, but that is what they are designed for. Even the failure of a window would probably not cause catastrophic failure of the aircraft as a whole, nor would it in all probability kill the majority of passengers/crew.

As far as the probability of a terrorist being able to hit a 737 at 30,000? A .50 caliber projectile fired at a target that is up to 30,000 feet away and that is moving as fast as a 737? I can't see it happening.

The M107 .50 Caliber Long Range Sniper Rifle (LRSR) or even the Barrett (what a fun toy that would be!) has an effective range of 6,000 feet. So, even at double the effective range of the weapon, from ground level in Denver @ +- 5,000 Feet, a plane flying at 30,000 feet would still be 13,000 feet beyond the reach of the weapon. Or to put it another way, if it were in range, it would be below (or close to below) the oxy mask requirement.

Test your theories prior to telling someone that they are !!!WRONG!!!. As someone said, it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
61 posted on 02/17/2005 6:47:13 PM PST by pop-aye (For every journey, there is a higher path.)
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To: Edward Watson

Didn't '60 Minutes" do a story a few weeks ago about how evil the .50 cal. weapons are? So what is going on? The liberal media has decided that .50 cal. weapons need to be banned?

And just how many crimes/terrorist acts have been committed with .50 cal. weapons?


62 posted on 02/17/2005 6:48:00 PM PST by Ticonderoga34
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To: zert_28
"And just how many crimes/terrorist acts have been committed with .50 cal. weapons?"

Zero

63 posted on 02/17/2005 6:52:08 PM PST by bruoz
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To: Edward Watson
If this scenario now happens CNN is toast, because the Internet will remember where the idea came from. Stupid move on their part.
64 posted on 02/17/2005 6:54:40 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: democratslayer
By your logic, all passengers on the Aloha Airlines 737 that grew a sunroof at 19000 ft would have been killed.

Didn't exactly turn out that way.

65 posted on 02/17/2005 7:01:24 PM PST by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: democratslayer
" !!!WRONG!!! DEPENDS ON THE ALTITUDE OF THE AIRCRAFT. "

Atmosphere at see level is 14.7 psi. If an aircraft was pressurized to a full 1 ATM ( and they are not ), at 30,000' the atmosphere is about 4-1/2 psi (4.3 psi ).

That means the pressure differential is only 10.4 psi.

For reference, you generate almost 1/2 psi differential sucking a milkshake through a straw... I would assume the skin of an aircraft is at least as strong as 20 Wendy's plastic straws, and would be able to handle the difference.
66 posted on 02/17/2005 7:26:04 PM PST by antiantiamericans
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To: Edward Watson
Dumb like a Fox, no reflection on FOXNEWS, lol. This is an excellent way to kick off a Congressional campaign to initiate a gun ban.
67 posted on 02/17/2005 7:58:20 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Edward Watson

Next it will be a segment on "How to make Meth!".


68 posted on 02/17/2005 8:27:00 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: bruoz

It wouldn't matter how many airplanes had been shot down with a .50 caliber rifle. Its a military "arm" and protected by the 2nd Amendment (at least as the amendment is written as opposed to how the amendment is interpreted by some black robed tyrants on the bench today).


69 posted on 02/17/2005 9:12:24 PM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: cripplecreek
Apparently the guy is a science teacher and he was teaching the students about reaction rates. One of the kids went home and blew something up and filmed it of course.

Do you have a link to that story?

70 posted on 02/17/2005 11:07:45 PM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: freepatriot32

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002182345_bomb17.html


71 posted on 02/18/2005 4:09:20 AM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002182345_bomb17.html


72 posted on 02/18/2005 4:10:45 AM PST by cripplecreek (The crippled stool is the cadillac of poopin stools.)
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To: cripplecreek

thanks for the link


73 posted on 02/18/2005 7:36:08 AM PST by freepatriot32 (Jacques Chirac and Kofi Annan, a pantomime horse in which both men are playing the rear end. M.Steyn)
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To: zert_28

Who cares? Someone using an object in a crime does not affect my right to own a similar object. If someone uses a car to get away after a bank robbery, should that make and model be "banned"?


74 posted on 02/18/2005 8:40:44 AM PST by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: chronotrigger

"All CNN did was to expose a flaw in our security so that it could be fixed before it was exploited.
"


What "flaw" in what "security"? Are we in martial law or on a military base?


75 posted on 02/18/2005 8:49:44 AM PST by shellshocked
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To: Edward Watson; democratslayer

My father has an old Navy buddy who later flew for UAL, going from engineer to navigator to co-pilot to pilot of a 737, then later he captained a 757. This guy is a top-flight engineer who knows his planes inside-out. I once asked him about whether the Hollywood scenarios were at all realistic. After he got done laughing, looking at me for a second and then laughing again, he said, "NO WAY!" He explained that all commercial jets have an opening in the fuselage that can be (and often is) opened to a diameter of as much as 1 foot to help regulate pressure. For those who are "math challenged," that's 12 inches, meaning that the area of the opening is pi x radius (6 inches here) squared, which is roughly 113 square inches. A .50 cal hole has an area of roughly 0.2 square inches, or 1/565 of the area. IOW, a bullet won't do squat to a plane, and nobody will get sucked out of the hole...that is 100% Hollyweird BS.

The only thing that could happen is that a critical hydraulic line could be hit. OK, fine, so let's say that Mr. Mohammed Terrorist gets a lucky hit. STILL nothing will happen, since the critical systems on a plane are triplely redundant in order to allow it to continue flying until it lands safely.

FYI, every civilian jetliner is automatically part of the civilian air reserve fleet, which means that it MUST be constructed to milspec standards. Ever see films of a mil-spec bomber that got hit by flak or a missile land? Most of them do, and do so safely, despite having dozens or hundreds of holes in them that are bigger than a .50 could produce.

As long as we're on the topic, does anyone remember the plane that had to top front of the fuselage peeled back like a sardine can? The pilot still landed safely despite the plane having been at 30,000+ feet when the incident happened, and the only person killed was a stewardess who was serving the passengers in that section (i.e. she wasn't belted). Note that others on the plane were also unbelted, except that not being right there, they survived (though everyone on the plane probably needed new underwear).

CNN did this to help the fight to get the .50 banned. They are famously/infamously anti-gun, as anyone who saw their initial biased piece (OS) report on "assault rifles" back in May of 2003 can attest. Terrorists already know very well how to do things far worse than merely shooting down a jet.


76 posted on 02/18/2005 10:46:33 AM PST by Ancesthntr
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To: Renegade

I dont think you can check a weapon in your luggage ..Thats not true


77 posted on 02/18/2005 10:50:08 AM PST by hineybona
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To: Edward Watson

CNN is trying to energize the left.

They are push reporting to revive the AWBan

Who wants to bet the story was written FOR CNN by some gun control group and CNN just cut and paste?

CNN is a joke. They should have to register as a 527.


78 posted on 02/18/2005 10:52:03 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Edward Watson
"One thing Islamic terrorists are is most of them are incredibly stupid and wouldn't know how to go around acquiring a 50 calibre rifle with telescopic sights and armour-piercing rounds."

No disrespect intended but remember to Never ever underestimate your enemy.
79 posted on 02/18/2005 10:52:35 AM PST by Dave278
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To: Renegade

you have to be VERY careful with leftist reporters.

During the 2004Olympics a British reporter was caught going into a secure area PROPERLY (x-ray, hand check bags, magnatometer, proper credential check) THEN he did a story on he he got in improperly.

Similarly it would not surprise me that CNN did a dan rather or dateline in order to promote the mission of their story.


80 posted on 02/18/2005 10:55:20 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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