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Pentagon prepares to build £70bn robot army
The Daily Telegraph ^ | February 17, 2005 | Francis Harris

Posted on 02/16/2005 11:32:12 PM PST by MadIvan

The Pentagon is spending £70 billion on a programme to build heavily-armed robots for the battlefield in the hope that future wars will be fought without the loss of its soldiers' lives.

The scheme, known as Future Combat Systems, is the largest military contract in American history and will help to drive the defence budget up by almost 20 per cent to just over £265 billion in five years' time.

Much of the cash will be spent computerising the military, but the ultimate aim is to take members of the armed forces out of harm's way. They would be replaced by robots capable of hunting and killing America's enemies.

Gordon Johnson, of the US joint forces research centre, told the New York Times: "The American military will have these kinds of robots. It's not a question of 'if', it's a question of 'when'."

The American military is already planning units of about 2,000 men and 150 robots, among them land-based "infantry" devices and drone aircraft.

In the far future it is hoped that the miniaturised robots will walk like humans, or hover like some birds. Others may look like insects.

Scientists say that, working at full tilt, the process is likely to take at least 20 years.

Robert Finkelstein, the head of one development firm called Robotic Technologies, said the Pentagon has established the goal "but the path is not totally clear".

In the meantime, the military is developing simpler technologies.

The US military has already bought a tracked robot which can enter highly risky sites such as cave complexes favoured by al-Qa'eda.

The machines have been deployed in Afghanistan's caves, digging up roadside bombs in Iraq and guarding weapons storage sites.

The Swords robots come in several versions, carrying either a machine gun, grenade launcher or a light anti-tank weapon.

It is controlled by a soldier from a distance of up to 1,000 yards.

"We were sitting there firing single rounds and smacking bull's-eyes," said Staff Sergeant Santiago Tordillos, who helped to design and test the robot. "We were completely amazed.''

That human involvement has proved critical in convincing military lawyers that machines can be used on the battlefield. More advanced machines which can decide whether to kill would also be legal, said Mr Johnson.

"The lawyers tell me there are no prohibitions against robots making life-or-death decisions," he said.

The programme is already causing other nations to reassess their military priorities. Britain's Armed Forces in particular will need to follow the American lead if only because the two militaries fight together so often.

While the cost of the scheme is huge, it may ultimately save large sums of money. Professional soldiers, their dependants and pensions are pricey. Once robotic technology is developed, the Americans say, the cost of a robot soldier might be only 10 per cent that of its human counterpart.

A US navy research centre in San Diego has already produced a robot built to look like a human. At 4ft high, it has a gun on its right arm and a single eye and could shoot at a target.

One researcher, Jeff Grossman, said the intelligence of the machines was increasing. "Now, maybe, we're a mammal. We're trying to get to the level of a primate."

When researchers succeed, a number of troubling moral dilemmas will have to be addressed. Some in the American computer business are asking whether it is acceptable to have machines decide for themselves whether to take human life and what will happen when, inevitably, the robot makes a mistake.

Bill Joy, who helped to found Sun Microsystems, said 21st century machines could become "so powerful that they can spawn whole new classes of accidents and abuses".

• The US navy is to name its newest £1.3 billion hi-tech submarine the USS Jimmy Carter, in honour of the former president and Nobel Peace Prize winner.

Mr Carter, the only president to have served as a submariner, will attend the launching ceremony for the 12,000 ton, 450ft vessel at the submarine base of New London on Saturday, with Rosalynn, his wife.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Interesting. I can see, say, the Syrian army soiling their pants in the face of terminator-like robots marching towards them.

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 02/16/2005 11:32:14 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: LadyofShalott; Tolik; mtngrl@vrwc; pax_et_bonum; Alkhin; agrace; lightingguy; EggsAckley; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 02/16/2005 11:32:41 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan

"Count Dooku, Trade Federation, Banking Clan Prepare to Build 70bn Credit Robot Army."

Meanwhile, the Chinese Republic is cloning copies of Suz Tzu by the millions in their oceangoing factories...

Begun, these Clone Wars have.


3 posted on 02/16/2005 11:43:24 PM PST by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: MadIvan

bwahahahahahaha! Excellent!


4 posted on 02/16/2005 11:44:47 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

The author of this article is so void of understanding of FCS that he needs to go back to school and learn how to do research all over again. And the fact that the Army is introducing robots into their arsenal is no surprise. This has been going on for quite some time. Our engineers use them routinely to destroy IED's and look in rooms that may be booby trapped. FCS is a larger program that fields a common chasis, mulitple role vehicle approache with enhanced communications, survivability, stand off and lethatlity. FCS is all over the place in terms of info. Anyway... robots are cool.


5 posted on 02/16/2005 11:50:02 PM PST by fwddeployed
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To: MadIvan
I hear the Pentagon is looking at a British company to make them. Hear are some prototypes. Now, which ones do you choose??? :-)
6 posted on 02/16/2005 11:53:08 PM PST by kb2614 ( You have everything to fear, including fear itself. - The new DNC slogan)
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To: fwddeployed

One can argue that robots have been used in combat since at least WWII. A torpedo is essentially a crude robot; cruise missiles such as the German V-1 are more sophisticated, but robotic weapons nonetheless.

What we need to worry about is SkyNet unleashing all these terminators on us!


7 posted on 02/16/2005 11:53:09 PM PST by rotstan
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To: kb2614

I am afraid you are incorrect, the lower photograph is of the French Tickler model.


8 posted on 02/16/2005 11:56:02 PM PST by WindOracle
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To: kb2614

I suggest the Daleks; the whole "exterminate, exterminate" mantra sends the enemy the right message.

Regards, Ivan


9 posted on 02/16/2005 11:57:12 PM PST by MadIvan (One blog to bring them all...and in the Darkness bind them: http://www.theringwraith.com/)
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To: MadIvan

Take this Mullahs!

11 posted on 02/16/2005 11:57:20 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: MadIvan
In all seeriousness, te robot wars of the future will probably be more like the "soldierboy" telepresence rigs in "Forever Peace" by Joe Haldemann.

But if you read it, just be forewarned that Haldemann's a lib. The book's underlying premises are more than worth the read, however.

13 posted on 02/17/2005 12:09:34 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Chrome wheeled, fuel injected and steppin' out over the line)
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To: WindOracle

If you tickle the french, do they surrender faster?


14 posted on 02/17/2005 12:10:30 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido

What do ya call a French Fighter ya see screaming into battle? A Mirage


15 posted on 02/17/2005 12:13:12 AM PST by WindOracle (When they gave us the Statue of Liberty we had to shave her pits.)
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To: MadIvan

We'll build them and Israel will build their own cheaper, they'll just simplify some software and such.. I wonder how long before the first battle of the robot armies takes place?


16 posted on 02/17/2005 12:17:11 AM PST by GeronL (The Old Media is at war with the New Media...... We are all Matt Drudges now.)
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To: MadIvan
Scientists say that, working at full tilt, the process is likely to take at least 20 years.

Looks like they need to call in the engineers.
17 posted on 02/17/2005 12:19:38 AM PST by carumba
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To: carumba

they gotta milk those govt contracts for all they are worth.


18 posted on 02/17/2005 12:21:57 AM PST by WindOracle
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To: GeronL
Who needs hardware? The step after robot soldiers is fighting wars, supercomputer to supercomputer. Of course, the loser will have to "terminate" more human units.

[courtesy of some original-series Star Trek]

19 posted on 02/17/2005 12:23:38 AM PST by C210N
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To: MadIvan
Just keep a human in the command loop is all I ask.


20 posted on 02/17/2005 12:25:01 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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