Posted on 02/15/2005 12:55:54 AM PST by JohnHuang2
Americans outraged at the murder charges against a Marine who claims he killed two insurgent terrorists in Iraq in self-defense should have confidence in the military justice system, insists a Marine Corps spokesman.
Maj. Matt Morgan of Camp Lejeune, N.C., told WorldNetDaily he understands why the public is rallying behind 2nd Lt. Ilario Pantano after news of his case broke Friday.
"Americans have seen what is in the press, and they have a tendency to support the Marines," he said. "On the other side of that, completely unconnected, there is something called the law of war, and it is possible for a Marine to violate that. To say you can't second-guess a Marine -- well, every Marine who deploys has the experience that anything they do can be second-guessed."
As WorldNetDaily reported, Pantano, 33, was charged Feb. 1 with premeditated murder in connection with an April 15, 2004, shooting incident. He claims one of the men he shot appeared to be preparing to attack his platoon or detonate nearby explosives.
"I just believe that it's important for Americans to have faith in the judicial process and understand that Lt. Pantano is presumed innocent and will continue to be so unless determined otherwise," Morgan said.
Pantano's attorney Charles Gittins, however, told WND his client is "very angry."
"He feels like he's been betrayed," Gittins said. "What has to be annoying is that he reported to his superiors very shortly thereafter that he killed these two Iraqis."
Nobody took him out of combat duty, the attorney emphasized.
"They didn't mind him out there dodging bullets for three months after this happened," Gittins said, adding it was only after returning to the U.S. that Pantano was charged.
Sunni Triangle
The Marine officer, who arrived in Iraq in March 2004, led a quick-reaction platoon that responded to intelligence reports on weapons caches and hide-outs in the volatile "Sunni Triangle," where suicide bombers feigning surrender and booby-trapped bodies and vehicles often threaten U.S. soldiers. In the April incident, the platoon stopped two men who fled in an SUV from a hide-out where weapons were discovered. Pantano said the two men came toward him despite his command in Arabic to stop.
An Article 32 hearing -- a pretrial hearing -- tentatively is scheduled for the end of the second week of March, Morgan said.
The Marine Corps spokesman contends it's inaccurate to say Pantano has been "charged." "Formal allegations" have been filed, he said, which should not be equated with a criminal indictment.
In an Article 32 investigation -- required in any case in which a court martial is under consideration -- a presiding officer hears the prosecution, allows the defense to cross-examine and present its evidence, then makes a recommendation to the presiding authority -- in this instance Maj. Gen. Richard Huck.
Huck would then have a full range of punitive options, from a general court martial -- the equivalent of a felony trial -- to dismissal.
Gittins, a Marine reserve, questions the thoroughness of the investigation that led to the charges, asserting that while his client has a track record of outstanding character and credibility, the accuser is suspect.
"There's reason to believe he might not be a big fan of Lt. Pantano," Gittins said.
He described the accuser as a sergeant who holds the position of radio man, a non-leadership position that indicates he's been put in a place where he can do the least harm.
"No one actually went and looked at the lack-of-credibility issues," he said. "There is no evidence of any investigation."
'Things that need to be done'
Pantano, who grew up in New York City, served in the 1991 Gulf War at age 19. Then, moved by the 9-11 attacks, he gave up a lucrative stock-broker position and set aside his film-making company to re-enlist.
A friend, James Rafferty, told the New York Times the Sept. 11 attacks brought Pantano "to the realization that he is a Marine and there are things that need to be done so that stuff like this doesn't happen again. It would be hard to sit back and not be a part of that."
Rafferty added, "I think he felt like his brothers are going to fight for our freedom, and if he still can, then he will."
Gittins pointed out that the leadership in Iraq stood behind Pantano after the April incident.
"People making the decisions are sitting in air-conditioned offices of Camp Lejeune, not on the battlefield," he said.
The issue, said Gittins, is how the military defines self-defense.
"There is no question my guy intended to kill them," he said. "Is that murder or lawful killing in the normal process of war? "
A Marine, he said, has both the right and obligation of self-defense if he comes upon a situation in which he is threatened.
"My threshhold for self-defense might be higher or lower," the lawyer said. "But we should not be in the business of second-guessing."
Gittins believes the case will have a damaging effect on recruiting and morale.
"Every Marine knows that a Marine has been charged with premediated murder," he said. "If it causes them to hesitate for one second because they worry about being second-guessed, that is criminal neglect on the part of Marine Corps leadership. We should not suffer one casualty because they are worried about being second-guessed."
Marine Corps spokesman Morgan said he cannot discuss the facts of the case but noted the specific rules of engagment in operation during that time in the Sunni Triangle are crucial to determining whether Pantano violated the military code of justice or legitimately engaged in self-defense.
The thresholds vary from location to location and conflict to conflict, Morgan stated.
"Our Marines in that province are guided by a different set of rules than our Marines who are guarding armories here in the United States," he explained.
May God go with him and may the truth set him free.
This is ridiculous. Any of you aho political pushers that are aiming for this marine's head are traitors...aiding and abetting the terrorist enemy. Get your fat behinds into that war zone and you will be crapping all over your pants. You pathetic monday quarterbacks. What is happening to this marine is so stupid that it only deserved a stupid (angry) reply.
All of you aho are just like Kerry, sitting nicely after only four months of service, giveing aide and service to the Vietcongs to prolong torture of POW. Those same Vietcongs burned villages (hope you never see your loved one all twisted and burnt like a cooked monkey on the fire grill) and just last year finally got a hold of some left over US ally Hmongs. You know what they did, rape and chopped up the womens and girls....the man were probably made to watch.... So what does the war criminal John Kerry and his little gang of libbies have to say....nothing.
The fact that the Marine is filing charges indicates that all is not well here. The fact that the lawyer seems to be spinning up a public relations campaign is also a bad sign.
The United States Marine Corps disagrees with you, and the USMC is not known for giving a damn about politics. If they're filing charges, it's a bad sign. If the lawyer's engaging in a full-court-press public relations campaign, it's an even worse sign.
I am praying for him to be exonerated..What on earth are you talking about?
"Americans have seen what is in the press, and they have a tendency to support the Marines," he said. "On the other side of that, completely unconnected, there is something called the law of war, and it is possible for a Marine to violate that. To say you can't second-guess a Marine -- well, every Marine who deploys has the experience that anything they do can be second-guessed."
I have a tendency to support the Marines. On the other hand, I still have a tendency to support the Marines. I do not support a policy that puts Marines at undue risk, and/or prevents them from doing the job they were sent to do. Period.
Amen.
Thank you so much for serving our country.
.I want to know what happened to the Marine who was photographed in Fallujah by a reporter..I have saved this support thread
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1281701/posts?q=1&&page=1
TO THE YOUNG MARINE IN FALLUJA -- FreeRepublic has your back
11-16-04 | Doug from Upland
Posted on 11/16/2004 9:29:54 PM CST by doug from upland
We do support our military.
Would that be the same military justice system that forced a hero named Colonel Allen West to retire rather than face a court martial instead of pinning a medal on his chest for making an Iraqi wet his pants and provide information that saved West and his men?
I must agree with you on that point. It sure looks like somebody's about to be railroaded.
It's a sign of one of two things:
1. That Pantano needs to fire his lawyer for incompetence; or
2. That Pantano's guilty as sin, and that the lawyer's playing the only card left in his hand.
Excuse me? His lawyer is Charles Gittins, not Maj. Morgan. Morgan has initiated a PR campaign to paint Pantano as guilty, and unworthy of our support. What "card" do you think Gittins is playing?
Wrong. He merely pointed out that Pantano stands charged, and that he is presumed innocent until he is actually found guilty.
What "card" do you think Gittins is playing?
The "my client is a persecuted war hero victim" card.
Courts-martial do not like Hollywood lawyering--by either side.
Bull crap!
"Americans have seen what is in the press, and they have a tendency to support the Marines," he said. "On the other side of that, completely unconnected, there is something called the law of war, and it is possible for a Marine to violate that. To say you can't second-guess a Marine -- well, every Marine who deploys has the experience that anything they do can be second-guessed."
The "my client is a persecuted war hero victim" card.
Courts-martial do not like Hollywood lawyering--by either side.
The only Hollywood lawyering I see is from the media whore who sacrificed his impartiality for some face time. He's not supposed to represent the prosecution. He's supposed to be a spokesman for the Marine Corps. That includes the Marine that he threw to the wolves, for his fifteen minutes of fame.
How long did you serve in the Marine Corps? What he said was thje honest-to-God truth: yes, your every action will be second-guessed by everyone from the most junior private to the battalion/squadron commander. It's part of Marine Corps culture.
Amen to that.
What difference does that make? It won't change the truth one way or the other. I never served in the Marines, but that doesn't give me, you, John Kerry, or anyone else the right to twist the facts and pervert justice. The message from the so-called Marine Corps spokesman was very clear, and easy enough for even a moron to see through. He was speaking for the Marines the same way John Kerry spoke for all of our troops when he accused them of war crimes. Twisting the facts to paint a fellow Marine in a bad light, and suggesting Americans shouldn't support our Marines is not part of Marine Corps culture.
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