Alan Keyes' Daughter Coming Out

CBS News ^ | February 14, 2005

[RWR8189]

(CBS) The 19-year-old daughter of Alan Keyes has a Valentine for the anti-gay rights conservative pundit and frequent Republican candidate.

Maya Marcel-Keyes will be making her first public appearance as a gay activist at a Valentine Day's rally in front of the Maryland State House, says Dan Furmansky, the leader of Equality Maryland, a gay rights group.

Last summer her father, a conservative pundit and frequent Republican candidate, caused a stir during the Republican convention by labeling Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter a sinner and calling homosexuality "selfish hedonism."

"It was kind of strange that he said it like a hypothetical," she told the Washington Post. "It was really kind of unpleasant."

Marcel-Keyes told the Post her parents have thrown her out of the house, stopped speaking to her and refuse to pay for college because she is gay. She said she loves her parents.

Keyes' Web site says he is against "the homosexual rights agenda, including same-sex marriage."

Marcel-Keyes grew up in Darnestown, Md., attended a conservative Catholic school for girls in McLean, Va., spent a year in the south of India advocating tribal rights, and plans to attend Brown University this fall, according to an Equality Maryland press release.

Furmansky told CBSNews.com that Marcel-Keyes would not be speaking to the media ahead of Monday's rally, and probably not afterward, either.

Bloggers have identified her Web site as http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=Xmisled0youthX. The author of the blog says it is public and she has nothing to hide.

[mudblood]

"Without that, all you're doing is attempting to undermine the veracity of the other person's philosophical premise. You're not showing any faults, you're just trying to get them to accept YOUR question mark instead of THEIR period. Without a reason to do so, there's no reason to do so."

I think the whole Question/Period thing is quite cool. But I don't really understand it. Are you saying that I'm asking them to accept my questioning of the Bible, rather than me accept their assertion that the Bible is right? Or are you saying that I'm asking them to accept my questioning of the Bible, but I'm unwilling to get them to accept their own assertion of the Bible? If the latter, then yes that's what i'm doing. Else it all comes down to the totology, "I believe what I believe" or "it's true because it's true".
And I do "have a reason to do so". My reason is because in any discussion of morality, I'm often presented with arguments in the form of quotations from the Bible, as if that were all that was needed. How can you argue with that? If its in the Bible, I'm immediately wrong. If its not in the Bible...oh wait, that's right, there's always something in the Bible. I'd have to be the Pope to argue anything with someone quoting the Bible.

[mudblood]

"My opinion that homosexuality is not the equal of heterosexuality is bourne out and echoed by virtually all recorded history, the antics of a small class of privedged ancient Greeks, scattered hunter-gatherer tribes, and Bonobo Chimps notwithstanding. If you dismiss me as some uninformed redneck, you dismiss 99.9% of all humans in recorded history similarly. And if you think that there is anti-gay hostility today in the USA, just see what happens if the 'right' to a non-heterosexual (and/or non-monagamous) marriage is forced down the throats of the public. Would you prefer mandatory and legally obligatory celebration of homosexuality, or informal and widespread private tolerance? Because you can't have both."

I tend to agree with most of this, actually, despite my seemingly "gay loving" comments above. (my quotes, not anyone here).

[davidbwade]

" Iw ill say that I disapprove of Alan Keyes and his wife cutting her off.. a parent's love should be unconditional and the 'tough love' approach backfires as often as not... BUt pushing her to keep exclusively company that agrees with her sexual orientation and politics is no way to either treat her generally, or 'salvage' her eventually, if that's the right word.
Isn't that the bone of contention we're all gnawing on? Do you bring any new support for your claims?"

What claim do you mean? I just said that I disagree on principle with kicking out one's child from the house and/or ceasing all support just because they announce that they are gay. That it has caused her to keep exclusive company with fellow sexual travellers and their sympathizers is a reasonable supposition from reading her site. If there is soemthing else you are agguing I didn't see it though I didn't scroll too far bac in the posts

[papertyger]

It should be obvious that nobody knows the mind of God. If they do, it isn't provable. If it is provable, nobody's proved it. If they've proved it, where's the proof?

You say all that as if it's rhetorical. It's not, but suffice to say comprehensive treatment is beyond the scope of a news forum, and it also ignores the peculiar facet called faith.

The system has been deliberately constructed in such a way that those who prefer will have reason to deny the validity of the proofs. They won't be good reasons, but they're only required to provide the user plausible deniability in their own mind anyway.

That being said, She wouldn't have much claim on us if She didn't make her mind known now would She? But if she DID make Her mind known, and you choose to ignore it... I guess that would make you, you.

The Bible says in order to please G-d, you must believe that He is, and that He rewards those that diligently seek Him. You should think about the philosophical implications of that statement with respect toward your observable universe.

[mudblood]

"The Bible says in order to please G-d, you must believe that He is, and that He rewards those that diligently seek Him. You should think about the philosophical implications of that statement with respect toward your observable universe."

But perhaps by not accepting the Bible line for line I am seeking God. And actually, I am.
Its interesting that you said that She wouldn't have much a claim on us unless she made her mind known. By this I'm guessing, if you'll pardon me, that you mean "The Bible". I'm not convinced that She made Her mind known to us, or even cares what we think. God created fish, but does he ("she's" getting irritating) care what a fish thinks? I don't know - maybe. But lets say you are right and that God cares what we think, and has made his mind known to us. Why does it have to be in the Bible only? Couldn't the word of God be revealed in every day human discourse? Or found in the quiet of the soul? Or the sound of one hand clapping? Or the smile on a dog?

[Amelia]

I would like you to explain to yourself, without lying if you can, Numbers 25:10-13.

Why would you want to accuse me of being a liar?

[nmh]

"Do you blame him for mentioning someone else's daughter? Yes or no?"

No.

At the time Dick Cheney's daughter was the issue; not HIS daughter.

Are you always quick to announce YOUR dirty laundry?

Should he have advertised his daughters problem to make Dick CHeney feel better?

Could it be that he still had hope that his daughter would turn around?

I have little doubt that he thinks the same of his daughter - a "selfish hedonist". He tagged Dick Cheney's daughter correctly because he has the SAME problem.

[papertyger]

Or are you saying that I'm asking them to accept my questioning of the Bible, but I'm unwilling to get let them to accept their own assertion of the Bible? If the latter, then yes that's what i'm doing.

Cool! You're sharper than I thought.

And I do "have a reason to do so".

I said definable reason. As you present it, your "reason" is circular. The only possibility you won't allow is that the Bible is accurately communicating what the deity wants to communicate.

As for "there's always something in the Bible," no there isn't, but there is subtlety that escapes those unfamiliar with the plan of the book (yeah, I know, and I'll answer when you ask), it's idioms, or possessing their own agenda. There's also a component missing, but we can address that later.

[esoxmagnum]

ou'd have some definable set of circumstances to conclude there is indeed nothing else in the mind of G-d"

It should be obvious that nobody knows the mind of God. If they do, it isn't provable. If it is provable, nobody's proved it. If they've proved it, where's the proof? So what you are left with is a lot of very big fans of very dead authors who take everything they say on faith, and exclude the possibility that God, if She exists, may hold contrary opinions to many assertions in the bible. Perhaps She's working through me right now, bringing you the truth, and trusting that even with Free Will you'll make the right decision and abandon the idea that who people are attracted to matters at all.


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Well, I can surely see we are of different faiths. There is no reason for a Christian to argue with someone who worships the earthmother, a head of lettuce or prays to crystals for divine inspiration.

I know you are not of Judaic faith and I know you are now Trolling to get a response.

Those of Judaic faith are just that, of faith. No, you cannot prove much of what is said, it is a matter of faith. Faith is just that. Faith is not questioning everything in the Bible, but accepting it. Faith is not questioning that God created Adam in His own image. No matter how much you would like to believe God was a she, you don't even have shaky evidence to support the notion, whereas the Bible states several times, that God is He.

Of course the new American version that is being sold in Rolling Stone magazine, has revised the bible to be more politically correct from what I understand, but this is not the Bible that most of us refer to.

So here I am arguing with someone from an alternative religious cult who is a troll. I feel like I'm in DU.

[papertyger]

But perhaps by not accepting the Bible line for line I am seeking God. And actually, I am.

If you are trying to negotiate price with a seller, what other mechanism does the seller possess to convince you the asking price is the selling price besides withholding the desired item?

[Accygirl]

Thanks, that's just the point I'm getting at. Just because your child or another family member comes out doesn't mean that you can just disown that person. One of my best friends in high school announced that he was gay, and I remember the problems that he had with his dad and stepmom. It was just heartwrenching for me to watch, because he was such a smart, funny guy and was a much better friend than any of the "saintly" straight Catholic kids that we went to school with (the ones who did drugs in the school parking lot, came to prom drunk, whored themselves out, etc...).

[papertyger]

Just because your child or another family member comes out doesn't mean that you can just disown that person.

Why?

[From many - one.]

Thank you for the welcome.

Tigerseye in posts 251 and 255 provided text of Keyes comments.

I don't see how the rest of your post relates to mine. Documentation of slave ancestors isn't the point. I assume that.

The more affluent and successful a descendant of slaves, the greater the reward in the form of tax cuts. That doesn't make sense to me.

I considered his statements weasel-worded...not reparations, just money they would not otherwise have.

And, as I stated in another post, the money comes out of my pocket unless there are budget cuts that equaled the cost of the program.

[IronJack]

So is:

1) human flight

A scientific achievment, not a cultural shift.

2) antibiotics

A scientific achievment, not a cultural shift.

3) interracial marriage

A cultural shift. And not necessarily a good one.

4) freedom from slavery

A cultural shift that brought us INTO alignment with God's wishes, not one that propelled us farther away.

5) the fight against racism

A cultural shift that has been marred by repeated abuses on the "victim" side.

6) capitalism (by your 4000 year scale)

You're daft. Capitalism -- in one form or another -- has existed since the dawn of time. True, it required an Industrial Revolution to give it its present incarnation, but people have been buying and selling at a profit for eons.

7) spongebob

A cultural mistake.

By the way, the Bible never condemned human flight, antibiotics, capitalism, or Sponge Bob (sadly). On the other hand, it does criticize bigotry and the abuses of slavery (although it is oddly ambivalent on the actual institution).

Your moral equivalency argument doesn't wash.

[zoobee]

Are most pressts and nuns gay? I think that might be the reason God created them.....

[zoobee]

Nobody is born with same-sex attraction disorder. In men, it is a maladapive response to a molestation or seduction in the pre-adult years.

That's ridiculous.

[af_vet_1981]

Why would you want to accuse me of being a liar?

Why would you want to promote homosexual addiction and activism ?

[af_vet_1981]

So here I am arguing with someone from an alternative religious cult ...

The religion is homosexual addiction which is so unnatural that it tries to turn others, hence the seduction and activism, especially preying on the young, as in this case.

[Amelia]

Why would you want to promote homosexual addiction and activism ?

I don't.

If you think you're a mind-reader, I hope you aren't trying to make a living from it.