Posted on 02/08/2005 3:11:51 AM PST by Dales
Foxnews is reporting that Sharon and Abbas are meeting, and that the announcement of a formal cease-fire is imminent. They said this is 'not the start of peace but the start of the process that will lead to peace'.
Apparently Abbas and Sharon will continue peace talks throughout the day after the announcement.
George Bush showed the world the change from Clintonism. Yasser Arafat never set foot in the Bush White House and never received a Monica cigar in the Rose Garden.
It was just on WBEN News from Buffalo that Hamas has said they are not part of this agreement and it will take just one suicide bomber and it will be broken.
I can't wait until GWB gets his Nobel Peace Prize.
BET if every thing went to poo poo in this country ,and in favor of good old islamist ,you would see a different side of these people, they are told to decieve you and any other infidel,I trust none of them .
Oh they started that weeks ago, claiming that the road map was identical to the peace deal that Clinton created, nearly brokered and Bush abandoned.Which of course is nonsense. No reasonable Palestinian leader would have accepted Camp David as a permanent solution. Clinton was trying to build himself a legacy not involving a blue dress and boost the prospects of Barak (who had many Clinton advisers working for him as well) without hurting Hillary in New York.
Bush's Road Map is a sensible starting point to a permanent solution. That was proven today at Sharm-al-Sheikh.
-Eric
It was just on WBEN News from Buffalo that Hamas has said they are not part of this agreement and it will take just one suicide bomber and it will be broken.Then it is incumbent upon the PA to help defeat them. They certainly have people with the strength and nerve to do so. Mohammed Dahlen comes to mind.
-Eric
This is just the righteous end of Clinton's brilliant foreign policy. Bush had nothing to do with this.
Yea, right.
I can't see that happening...
"Palestine" going to battle against Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest of them?
I would only believe that possible had I seen Arafat quietly being buried somewhere, with little mourning and fanfare. No, he was celebrated, he was their hero. They stand for everything he stood for...the complete eradication of Israel.
I'd imagine that Abbas is getting the back-channel diplomatic version of "don't make me stop this car!" from President Bush as well.
I can't see that happening...Since he's dead and can't speak for himself, the winners are going to be the ones to define his place in history. If Abbas and the PA win, he will be remembered as the guy that shook hands with Rabin and took the first step towards peace."Palestine" going to battle against Hamas, Hezbollah, and the rest of them?
I would only believe that possible had I seen Arafat quietly being buried somewhere, with little mourning and fanfare. No, he was celebrated, he was their hero. They stand for everything he stood for...the complete eradication of Israel.
Hamas and the PA have been harsh rivals for years. The Hamas guys know that peace makes them largely irrelevant, while the PA guys know it makes them a government.
There will be provocations, to be sure. But Shimon Peres said it best: "fight terrorism as if there were no prace, seek peace as if there were no terrorism".
-Eric
I'd imagine that Abbas is getting the back-channel diplomatic version of "don't make me stop this car!" from President Bush as well.Sharon may be getting it too, albeit to a lesser degree. When Arafat was alive, Bush would "correct" him publically and Sharon privately.
-Eric
Civilizing the discourse is a good place to start. That and prosecuting the criminals.
LOL! I wouldn't want to be a foreign leader who doesn't listen to him, either........
PA Religious leader: Goal is Israel's Destruction By Itamar Marcus & Barbara Crook
Introduction
The Palestinian Authority, in its Arabic messages to its people, has always denied Israel's right to exist and has often presented the peace process as a tactic leading to Israel's destruction.
This goal was repeated Friday, on the Palestinian Authority television, in the official sermon. Senior religious figure, Ibrahim Mudyris, explained that the limitation of the diplomatic process is that it can only achieve the 1967 borders, and that at a latest stage the Palestinian Authority will achieve its goal, the destruction of Israel: "the way Muhammad returned there as a conqueror".
The following is the text of the Friday sermon, February 4, 2005:
Preacher- Ibrahim Mudyris:
"We do not love any land more than the land of Palestine. Had the Jews not expelled us from it with their plains, their tanks, their weapons, their treachery around us, we would never leave you, Oh Palestine". (Quotes Muhammad who promised he would return to Mecca as a conqueror). "We tell you Palestine, we shall return to you, by Allah's will, We shall return to every village, every town, and every grain of earth which was quenched by the blood of our grandparents and the sweat of our fathers and mothers. We shall return, we shall return. Our willingness to return to the 1967 borders does not mean that we have given up on the land of Palestine. No! We ask you: Do we have the right to the 1967 borders? We have the right. Therefore, we shall realize this right with any mean it takes. We might be able to use diplomacy in order to return to the 1967 borders, but we shall not be able to use diplomacy in order to return to the 1948 borders. No one on this earth recognizes [out right to] the 1948 borders [before Israel's existence]. Therefore, we shall return to the 1967 borders, but it does not mean that we have given up on Jerusalem and Haifa, Jaffa, Lod, Ramla, Natanyah [Al-Zuhour] and Tel Aviv [Tel Al-Rabia]. Never.
We shall return to every village we had been expelled from, by Allah's will. Why? All the international laws deny the Palestinians their real borders. We might agree, but in the name of Allah, our grandfathers' blood demands that we return to them [the borders]. Your father's blood was shed there, at the villages, at Ashqelon, at Ashdod, at Hirbia [a village between Gaza and Ashqelon, where Kibbutz Zikim is located today] and at others places, hundreds of villages and towns. [Their blood] demands it from us, and it shall curse anyone who will concede a grain of earth of those villages. Our approval to return to the 1967 borders is not a concession for our other rights. No!... this generation might not achieve this stage, but generations will come, and the land of Palestine... will demand that the Palestinians will return the way Muhammad returned there, as a conqueror".
I bet those Monica cigars had arafat roaring like a lion.
Are you listening Vicente Fox?
"Peace will be possible only when they [the Palestinians] love their children more than they hate us." ~Golda Meir, 1967
I was just gonna post what's in #95. It pretty much sums things up.
I don't think Clinton will receive any credit, but Carter does deserve a lot for the Camp David accords - the only success of this otherwise miserable administration.
Some credit is also due to Walter Cronkite.
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