Posted on 02/07/2005 10:09:57 AM PST by conservlib
Actually, since the sixth century, the Muslims plan, and drive was and still is to convert as many people as possible to Islam. That can happen only through orchestrated effort of Muslim countries, and Islamic underground organizations that are typically winked at by the Muslim governments.
The U.S. and most of the West are not so attached to their religion, and are not so driven to convert others at any cost to any particular religion. That IS a mistake in the current war against the Muslim terrorists. The enemy’s drive is to convert us to Islam!! If we can ALL agree on that one statement, then there will be hope for my readers to follow my logic.
OK, I am going to assume that all my readers confirm that our enemy’s single motive that drives him to kill himself is TO CONVERT US TO ISLAM! It follows then; the weapon to fight back is TO CONVERT THEM TO CHRISTIANITY, a la Ann Coulter. Now, I can hear all the screaming from our Jewish citizens saying but, the separation of church and state? We are not a Christian country? Our military knows only how to fight, and not to force convert people to Christianity! The answer to these concerns is yes I understand, but, we must inflict the REAL pain on the enemy. Killing the enemy is not pain, and we know it - the reason is because they are going to heaven with 72 virgins. What really hurt is to convert their wives or sister to Christianity , Judaism, Buddhism or Hinduism.
To deal with this issue, we must approach this subject OPENLY! Openly you said? Yes, our president, and media MUST openly discuss the concept of freedom to convert people from Islam to other religions. Our Jewish/Christian/Buddhist/Hindu/Godless organizations should be free to set up proselytizing shops in Saudi Arabia, and other Muslim nations to convince, and convert as many Muslims to their religions. At first, we are all programmed to think that that would never work, because Muslims kill any other Muslim that converts to other religion. The point here is this is the only effective weapon that they can understand. Failing to recognize that would only mean that we will be chancing our tails for many generations to come.
The Saudi government, and Most other Muslim governments are spending good part of their national income to proselytize Islam throughout the world, and if the rest of the world is indifferent about such OPEN activity, then the rest of the world is in denial of the driving force for Islam and Muslims, and the obvious counter measure needed to stop this drive. The UN and the rest of the world organizations MUST openly talk about the freedom of all people to believe, and practice their religions any where on this planet. If a person is convinced (not forced) to convert from one faith to another, there should never be retaliation (officially or not)! The whole world should be very much attuned to this simple idea, as we are (public/media/government) all attuned to Nazism, or racial discrimination as an evil thing that must be monitored and stopped. To this end, any force conversion in any far places like Sudan or Egypt should be front page news in the entire world, simply because it illustrates that one side is not playing fair!
Now do you suppose President Bush can call the King of Saudi Arabia and say hey my friend, you are building mosques all over my country, and are free to proselyte to our citizens; from now on, I expect reciprocation of favor. If not, we will demolish all the mosques that you funded, and stop all your proselytizing activities. If such discussions were made public to the whole world to see, do you suppose any fair minded person can call the US bully, or not diplomatic? How can equal treatment offend people? Why are we thinking that with guns we are going to affect people who are ready to die for Allah? Once we learn that the drive from the sixth century must be countered by counter drive; this would put the whole competition under fair ground rules, like any sport competitions. Outside referees will call any foul play.
Not to defend the IRA et al, but to claim to have Jesus on your side is quite another issue than to do what they do to force you to believe as they do.
The IRA and that lot started (at least self styled anyway) as "freedom fighters" and are now nothing more than thugs looking for an excuse to kill. I don't believe that their goal, stated or unstated, was ever to make the whole of Ireland worship as Roman Catholics.
I would not say, in any event, that there have not been atrocities in the name of Christ, but that is our doing, not His. In contrast to Islam, the Holy Bible does not advocate, condone nor even suggest conversion by the sword. Conversion can only come through the heart by the work of the Holy Spirit.
That is too extreme, at least for now. You want to start appealing to the sense of fairness. Of course, they will refuse, and then the whole world will understand and support any alternative measures.
I did not know whether you were joking or not. I was afraid you were not, but held out faint hope that perhaps there was a tongue planted firmly in cheek as you wrote. Alas, all hope is indeed dashed based on your subsequent reply.
or my idea of fighting an idealogical war fare with similar ideas is wrong,
I think doing anything except trying to exterminate these terrorists and the states that support them is "wrong". The war is indeed idealogical, but it is not Muslim versus Christian. It is Muslim extremists versus freedom itself. Any other interpretation of the last few years and the last 3 months especially can be nothing but blindness. Who are the monsters attacking now? Christians? No, they are attacking other Muslims. Why? For nothing other than trying to exercise the right to vote. They realize that freedom is their kryptonite and this is their last stand. Iraq is not the end, but they know it is the beginning of an inexorable and bitter end.
Guns do not scare people who are not afraid to die foe Allah.
Perhaps. But freedom scares the hell out of them, wouldn't you say?
A fine FR tradition indeed. How to you suppose I got it? ;)
LOL!
"The new Caliphate" wouldn't tolerate Christian missionaries, for example. The very idea is infuriating from their manical point of view. That is why the religious must be discredited into extinction.
If you know Ali Sina of http://www.faithfreedom.org, then you know how he feels - eradication of Islam and all vestiges of it! Nothing less. Ali knows much more than I do about the evils of this blood, murder, mayhem and death cult than I do.
Char :)
Quite frankly, it would be easier and far more likely to make a difference if we just eliminated all of them.
The truth has been exposed by so many that I'll not try to name them but it means nothing to a zealot (much less 1 billion of them) that is willing to die, not for his faith, but to kill those disagreeing with his faith.
The only real solution is when Islam ceases to exist.
NO, and NO! You need to read my article again, and reflect on the many responses that I posted. All Muslim countries have official laws forbidding other religions from proselyting to their Muslim citizens. All I am saying is reciprocity of proselytizing can allow people the freedom to convert to whatever faith they chose. Once we started converting some of their citizens, it is in effect taking away the oxygen of their lives. Again, I am not saying that we convert them to Christianity, I am simply saying convert them away from Islam to other faiths, such as Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, atheism, and yes Christianity too, since it is a religion (believe it or not).
I agree.
Which doesn't change the fact that you continue to be incorrect.
Get real John -- Mecca IS the centre of the faith far more than even Jerusalem is for Jews. You must bow to Mecca, Mecca holds the Ka'aba and since it has not been touched by infidels it perpetuates the myth thatIslam is unstoppable and that it will conquer all
Ping
The IRA is Marxist-Communist and they often rail at the church. They are not a 'Christian' group by any stretch of the imagination.
Who are these other two groups? I am not familiar with the acronyms.
"Did you forget the French Algerian war, and the Israeli Palestinian war? Guns do not hurt people who are not afraid of dying for Allah."
You're kidding, right? What the hell are you smoking that you think Muslims are magically immune to bullets? You sound like a g--damned Islamofascist with this purile crap.
Why not tell the Japanese that nuclear bombs do not hurt people who are not afaid of dying for the Emperor?
"Get real John -- Mecca IS the centre of the faith far more than even Jerusalem is for Jews. You must bow to Mecca, Mecca holds the Ka'aba and since it has not been touched by infidels it perpetuates the myth thatIslam is unstoppable and that it will conquer all"
Hmmm. One well-placed 1,000 pound bomb would disaffect the Muzzies of this belief.
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